View Full Version : Aston Martin V12 Vantage RS
ajprice
12-11-2007, 05:58 PM
Link (http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/11/breaking-aston-martin-shoehorns-v12-into-vantage-rs)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/12/v12-vantagers.jpg
Thats all there is so far, the Autoweek article they link to is taken down now.
IcedG35
12-11-2007, 06:09 PM
those rims seem very "un"aston martin. other than that, this car would do nothing good for DB9 sales imo if it is released in production form, just as the Boxter/Caymen is kind of maxed out in terms of how much power Porsche will let it have.
I did hear that a concept was to be unveiled at the launch of the new Aston Martin design centre, but I just thought it would be some special kit for a standard DB9 / V8 vantage. This is something totally crazy (and brilliant)!
Autoweek's figures speak for themselves though, with the 600hp V12 from the DBRS9 giving this car 0-60 in 3 seconds and a top speed of 200mph! It would be interesting if they turned such a vehicle into a production car, but I personally suspect it would be the slightly less powered DBS based V12...
those rims seem very "un"aston martin. other than that, this car would do nothing good for DB9 sales imo if it is released in production form, just as the Boxter/Caymen is kind of maxed out in terms of how much power Porsche will let it have.
think you're right. it's so unreal
against the wall
12-11-2007, 09:29 PM
i. want. it. now. :eek:
600hp and 0-60 in 3s. WANT ONE!
against the wall
12-11-2007, 09:46 PM
600hp and 0-60 in 3s. WANT THREE!
fixed it for ya...;)
looks like they're not ready with the engine yet...
XXXAngelXXX
12-12-2007, 10:37 AM
thats waht i said some weeks ago ! but i got ignored....
http://www.carspyshots.net/showthread.php?t=5196 :(
Well to be fair, the info you posted got nearly 800 views.. so as far as we're concerned, the information wasn't ignored and was much appreciated! You get some good info from the dealers, so please keep posting it :D
two more pics from netcarshow
http://photo.netcarshow.com/Aston_Martin-V12_Vantage_RS_Concept_2007_photo_03.jpg
http://photo.netcarshow.com/Aston_Martin-V12_Vantage_RS_Concept_2007_photo_01.jpg
could they not have varied the interior color any at all?
wow, first i thought it was unreal, but wow !
great job AM, thumbs up
i'd like to see this next to the F430 Scuderia and the Gallardo Superleggera.
even more pics
http://photo.netcarshow.com/Aston_Martin-V12_Vantage_RS_Concept_2007_photo_19.jpg
http://photo.netcarshow.com/Aston_Martin-V12_Vantage_RS_Concept_2007_photo_0e.jpg
http://www.leftlanenews.com/aston-martin-v12-vantage-rs-future.html
XXXAngelXXX
12-19-2007, 02:03 PM
AUTO MOTOR SPORT in Germany say:
they will build 250-300 for a price around 250.000.-- Euros with the DBS V12 engine and 530hp....
swizzle
12-23-2007, 10:27 PM
I love how Aston Martin got a V12 and Jaguar didn't. Yet another bad move on Ford's part.
lewisl
12-24-2007, 06:49 AM
I agree, the Aston Martin V12 engine has been around for a few years now. What I don't understand is why people need 530hp with the speed limits these days. Well unless you use the autobahn!
swizzle
12-24-2007, 01:27 PM
I agree, the Aston Martin V12 engine has been around for a few years now. What I don't understand is why people need 530hp with the speed limits these days. Well unless you use the autobahn!
Need? What does "need" have to do with it? As consumers we should have the option to drive whatever we choose to drive so long as we are willing to live by the choices we make. No one NEEDS a BMW 3 Series when a Toyota Corolla has as much interior room and will cruise sufficiently well at 70mph on the freeway. The "need" mentality is what allows the nannies to pass draconian laws aimed at limiting vehicular choice. If someone wants a 500+ hp vehicle, he should be able to get one. Period.
I love how Aston Martin got a V12 and Jaguar didn't. Yet another bad move on Ford's part.
Simply put, there was no need for a V12 Jaguar whilst both it and Aston Martin were sister companies. There was a need to ensure both brand's didn't overlap each other.
The previous XK8 at the time wouldn't have gone up in power, because it would have killed DB7/DB9 sales (hence why the much fabled XK-RR of the time was never approved). The XJ might have been a potential candidate for V12, but I have doubts about the engine fitting in (because even the current TDV8 engine doesn't fit). And as of 2009/2010, the Jag XK, XF, and XJ will have a V8 supercharged producing 500hp anyway ;)
Ford was right to look at the bigger picture and keep certain engines exclusive to one brand only. Personally, I think leaving the V12 to Aston Martin was a good thing, and let them develop into the supercar specialists they are :D
swizzle
12-25-2007, 01:02 AM
Simply put, there was no need for a V12 Jaguar whilst both it and Aston Martin were sister companies. There was a need to ensure both brand's didn't overlap each other.
Oh puhlease! BMW and Mercedes do V12s and Jaguar needed to play in the field. Point blank! Ford fumbled...AGAIN! There was no overlap in the first place given that Jaguar is significantly lower priced than Aston.
Oh puhlease! BMW and Mercedes do V12s and Jaguar needed to play in the field. Point blank! Ford fumbled...AGAIN! There was no overlap in the first place given that Jaguar is significantly lower priced than Aston.
So BMW does one V12 engined car which is the 760, and Mercedes does AMG and Brabus products in a V12. Real big sellers there, lol! Do you actually know how many sales there are for V12 high performance saloons? I'll guarantee you it's hardly many. And how many extra would buy a retro looking XJ with a V12 engine?? Not many i'm guessing :P
Simply put, the german rivals to Jaguar could afford to do such a brand promoting exercise. And Jaguar couldn't. because of it's vast losses. It was right to focus on diesel sales which have kept it going for years, rather than pointless high capacity engines which sell a couple of hundred vehicles per year.
And do you really think Jaguar would sell a low priced V12? Look out there and tell me how cheap the brand new V12 engined sports models from BMW and Merc are. It's not a question of just putting an engine into a jag, it costs hundreds of millions to develop such a car, and the only way to recoup such a cost would be via raising the price. And this in a sports coupe/cabrio such as the XK8 would have meant an overlap to Aston Martin!
Ford didn't fumble, it did the right thing (for a change)!
swizzle
12-25-2007, 02:20 AM
So BMW does one V12 engined car which is the 760, and Mercedes does AMG and Brabus products in a V12. Real big sellers there, lol! Do you actually know how many sales there are for V12 high performance saloons? I'll guarantee you it's hardly many. And how many extra would buy a retro looking XJ with a V12 engine?? Not many i'm guessing :P
Simply put: Jaguar was outgunned in the prestige market. It did not play in the rarer segment, so it lost the halo that the V12 models imbue. It's got NOTHING to do with sales and EVERYTHING to do with perception. The perception of Jaguar: a failing marque soon to be owned by a maker of penalty boxes at $3000. Jaguar did not play with the big boys and the result is quite evident. Heck Bentley has a V12. Jaguar did not play and now it has to pay.
ajprice
12-26-2007, 10:50 AM
What's Bentley having a V12 got to do with anything???!!?!
Aston Martins ARE more exclusive than Jaguars. AM sell a few thousand cars a year, Jaguar close to 100,000. They are both prestige makers, but Aston is a higher level. It's like trying to compare a Gallardo to a Zonda.
Yes Jaguar have messed up a few times, but not because of not competing with Aston. The Jaguar concept designs of the last few years (RD-6) have been miles ahead of the production cars (X-Type), and its only now that they have seen the light and brought the concept style to production with the XF. The XF is a great car and shows that they do have a future.
swizzle
12-26-2007, 12:45 PM
What's Bentley having a V12 got to do with anything???!!?!
Everything! One of the brilliant :rolleyes: ideas Ford had was to take Jaguar upmarket and sell fewer vehicles at a higher price. Without a V12 it's a no go.
ajprice
12-26-2007, 05:21 PM
swizzle, in honour of your thoughts on a Jaguar V12, I have changed my signature :D .
Well the Bentley is a W12 anyway, the same as the Audi A8, not a V12.
How have Ford tried to make Jaguar more upmarket than they were? They used to make an XJ12, and don't now. They used to have a range that only consisted of the XJ and XJS, they now have the S-Type/XF mid range, and the X-Type small Jaguar as a 3-series and C class rival. I can't see the point you're trying to make.
Jaguars have their place, and that is as a rival to the German three. Aston Martin have their place too, as a rival to Porsche, Bentley etc. Aston is a cut above Jaguar.
Mercedes tried to compete with the Rolls Royce market with the Maybach brand, but it looks like a blinged up S-Class and so nobody wants one. VW made the Phaeton, they have Audi, the Phaeton bombed.
As AM2K said, the 12 cylinder BMW, Merc and Audi saloons are such a small market, and for the size and level of car, are over doing it, never mind the Brabus etc versions. If you did have a V12 Jag in this market, then you would have to have an XK12 to go with it, and that would be an Aston Martin rival.
Anyway, this Vantage RS looks great and if it does go to production, would be great against the lightweight supercars.
Everything! One of the brilliant :rolleyes: ideas Ford had was to take Jaguar upmarket and sell fewer vehicles at a higher price. Without a V12 it's a no go.
lol, ok I can see that this conversation is not going anywhere and is just going in circles. We both have our own views on this matter and we're not really going to convince ourselves otherwise. And of course I respect your opinion on the matter :)
So or the sake of politeness and keeping this thread on topic (and of course I am partially to blame for it going for off-topic), i'll move things on now and end our discussion.
Let's just look forward to Detroit soon, and hopefully there will be more coverage of the Vantage RS there :D
swizzle
12-27-2007, 01:34 AM
swizzle, in honour of your thoughts on a Jaguar V12, I have changed my signature :D
Character assassination is a delightful art. I'm glad you feel like a bigger man.
lol, ok I can see that this conversation is not going anywhere and is just going in circles. We both have our own views on this matter and we're not really going to convince ourselves otherwise. And of course I respect your opinion on the matter :)
And over time you will see that I'm right. Cheers AM2K. You're cool.
And over time you will see that I'm right. Cheers AM2K. You're cool.
Lol, I have my own stone set views about Jag, LR, and Aston Martin. So I can guarantee you now that I won't change my views and will never agree with your point of view on this ;) But cheers for the compliment!
Moving on though, just to bring back what XXXAngelXXX said that he heard, was that the production version of this will be a limited run with the 530hp engine from the DBS... I do wonder if the car would retain it's luxury features like the concept, or would it get rid of them to make this the ultimate stripped out race-spec car? Just like the N24 version is...
IcedG35
12-27-2007, 11:04 PM
Not sure how relevant this is, but it's not exactly like the V12 is a Ford community engine. Besides the block, which in infamously Ford, everything else that went into the engines development and productions is 100% Aston Martin, just as the regular AMV8 only really uses the Jaguar V8 Block. Assuming Aston Martin is willing to lend the V12 to Jaguar (not sure how that works but I"m assuming not a problem), there still would be the issue of prodution. I'm not sure a smaller company like AM could supply the amount of engines Jaguar would need (although with XJ sales being what they are, it might not have been such a problem). Especially since every engine is handbuilt, and Aston sales are at all time highs, there might not have been the capactiy.
Now for you swizzle, if capactiy and production was not a problem, then the XJ should've had a V12 becuase no matter how many supercharges you put on an engine, the buyer will still read V8 on the Jag's sticker and V12 on the Merc's sticker. (swizzle, don't worry, i know how much me agreeing wtih you means)
swizzle
12-28-2007, 01:21 AM
It means the world to me compadre!
IcedG35
12-28-2007, 02:47 AM
It means the world to me compadre!
and you're a belvedere guy, this might just work out after all.
Funnily enough, I do remember an article in 2005 had an interview with Matthew Taylor (Land Rover managing director), who at the time said they were thinking about a V12 engined flagship Range Rover. He also mentioned that Aston chief Ulrich Bez was more than happy with letting a fellow PAG company have access to the Aston V12 engine.
From what I can recall, Land Rover did go to the extent of trying this out on a Range Rover. But the problem was that although the engine fitted into the vehicle, the battery was apparently on the front seat! Although this problem could have been solved, I think practicality and other technical problems meant that the engine just wasn't feasible for the car. And because of that, the V12 Range Rover never went beyond the experimental stage....
now that is who really needs the V12...a big "torquey" V12 would be right at home in a 5000+ lb Range Rover. It's kind of surprising that no one, especially Mercedes, has dropped a V12 in a G or GL type truck yet, not because it'd be logical, but becuase it's Mercedes, and that's what they do (and i think it'd be pretty cool).
XXXAngelXXX
12-31-2007, 01:56 PM
I agree, the Aston Martin V12 engine has been around for a few years now. What I don't understand is why people need 530hp with the speed limits these days. Well unless you use the autobahn!
i need it - i got the Aston and the Autobahn.... :)
swizzle
12-31-2007, 06:01 PM
It's got NOTHING to do with need and 100%--in this price range--to satisfy WANT.
Autocar Magazine have had the chance to drive the V12 Vantage RS around Silverstone
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1303/17388101230xw3.jpg
The most interesting comment in the article for me was:
"At present Aston is looking at two production scenarios: either a super-exclusive run of 100 RS superlights, little different from this one and priced at around £150,000, or a run of 300-400 cars, with more equipment and a slightly lower price."
The full article can be read at: http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Aston-Martin-Vantage-RS-6.0-V12/231779/
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