Chery Shooting Sport

[knicks125]

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[mzoltarp]

Could this be the new Dodge?

[Superfresa]

If they build it like that, I'll swallow poison. Deal?

[hilton]

thats hot, i like it

[mzoltarp]

I thought the drawing was quite nice actually. I wouldn't want Fresa to poison himself.

[Superfresa]

The drawing IS quite nice. And it doesn't look like anything else, really. Thats why I say, If they produce it like that, I'll swallow poison. Thats because I know they wont....

[CosworthKid]

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mzoltarp</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Could this be the new Dodge?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Its a Chery <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Yep, im with Fresa. Poison me as well (not even shaking!)

[Superfresa]

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Its a Chery <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/cwm13.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Dodge signed a deal with Cherry for Cherry to produce a new small Dodgy for the US Market, in China.

[CosworthKid]

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Dodge signed a deal with Cherry for Cherry to produce a new small Dodgy for the US Market, in China.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Huh?Why did they do that? Is Dodge that desperate or have Chery's become so damn good in the last month?

[mzoltarp]

It would be a brilliant move for Chrysler and Chery to team up.

[CosworthKid]

to team up is one thing..but to let Chery produce a vehicle for the chrysler brand for sale in the US non the less? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/scared.gif" BORDER="0">

[mzoltarp]

Fact: The Chinese are coming. Fact: Chrysler needs more sales in China. Fact: Chery would gain a ready-made dealer outlet and people would not have a lot of out-of-pocket set up costs for a franchise. Hunch: Chery will ramp up quality fairly rapidly just as Hyundai has over a decade.

[CosworthKid]

Fact: i already said i can understand the partnership<br>Fact: it took Hyundai far longer to reach current status, i place where Chery isnt there yet, not by a long shot. And u are talking about Chery producing NOW that vehicle, totaly irrelevant with what u say about 10+ years in the future<br>Fact: Chery could just as well be the one using a Dodge platform/car for the Chinese market or even use Dodge help to infiltrate the NA market, not the other way around<p>Fact: when the Chinese make it into the NA market, especially after the help of the American makers, there wont be any American cars on sales. U guys suffered massive losses due to Japanese and Korean makers, now u want the Chinese ot finish off the job? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/werd.gif" BORDER="0">

[mzoltarp]

The Japanese, and now the Koreans, have been mindful to produce jobs in this market. I actually think that DC and Chery could actually become far more than a joint venture. Mercedes could rapidly close the quality gap, and selling a low-priced vehicle as a Dodge would insulate MB from any teething problems. The quid pro quo is getting Chrysler vehicles into China in exchange for Chinese cars in the American market. The reality is that China is coming and if DC were to embrace a Chinese maker it has a better chance of managing the impact and getting concessions. The American automobile manufacturing job market is quite strong if you work for a company that sells vehicles people want to buy (Toyota/Honda/Nissan/Hyundai/Mercedes/BMW) not so good if you work for a company that some shun. Being a pragmatist is always better in the business world than an isolationist.

[Superfresa]

Fact: The Chinese have never built a good car.<br>Fact: The Chinese are just starving for Toyota's money<br>Fact: The Chinese use cheap labour in other products to keep competitive.<br>Fact: There are compelling political reasons why you wouldn't buy a Chinese car<br>Fact: The last time there was a passionate, Beautiful or well made chinese mass produced object was never<br>Fact: I dont wish them luck, wont buy one, and hope they can get rid of their communism one day.

[DoMiNo]

Interesting subpoint: with all the talk that China may face a catastrophic economic meltdown if it continues at its rate of fast growth fueled by irresponsible lending practices, isn't it wise for global manufacturers to approach the Chinese market--and any joint-ventures--with a certain amount of caution? Where would that leave American manufacturers if the Chinese economy tanked? <p>I'm not postulating, just asking.

[CosworthKid]

Im scared of China's evolution in general to be honest. U do have a point there DoMiNo, not wanting to sound racist (im not) but the Chinese seem to not care at all about the whole global warming situation, if they are let alone just the industrialisation of China alone will speed up the doom process of the entire planet. On the other hand if they dont take the environment seriously, markets such as Europe which are becoming increasingly aware of the planet's status, wont even bother buying a Chinese car unless its super fuel efficient or had a hybrid in its line-up of sorts.

[mzoltarp]

The Chinese are no different than Post WWII USA when consumerism ran wild. China is communist in name but increasingly capatalistic in its economics. Of course China will have an economic implosion at its current rabid growth rate and that is when having gotten into a joint veture will pay off (i.e. foreign to China capital will be needed to get out of the downturn which could come at the expense of Chinese autonomy). To some extent, the USA should encourage China's rapid appetite because it will speed the get real moment for the Chinese.

[CosworthKid]

[QUOTE=mzoltarp]The Chinese are no different than Post WWII USA when consumerism ran wild. QUOTE]<p>Dou know whats the number of China's current population? 1.3 billion according to Wikipedia.

[knicks125]

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">U guys suffered massive losses due to Japanese and Korean makers, now u want the Chinese ot finish off the job? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Competition is good for consumers. We have all seen when automakers step up and design products consumers heart/want, the success would come almost on its own. The decline of the US automakers cannot be directly blamed by the arrival of the foreign makers in the market but rather the progression of the automaker, how each face reality and obstacles.<p>Personally, I have no problems buying Chinese, if their cars can prove themselves. Similar case for any brand, from any country of make. If an automaker has a good car for my needs, it would gain my attention. I have no sympathy for those that tell me I am restricted to certain brands to support my country. That's just pure crap if you ask me.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CosworthKid</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Fact: it took Hyundai far longer to reach current status, i place where Chery isnt there yet, not by a long shot. And u are talking about Chery producing NOW that vehicle, totaly irrelevant with what u say about 10+ years in the future</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The early entrant such as Toyota came to the US in the late 1950s, and became an established brand in the 80s; Hyundai came to the US in the mid-80s, and gained respect at the close of the 20th century; my point, the next new entry, whether from China or India, or others, may be able to gain recognition at an even faster rate, via better technology and learning from past history.<p>----------------------------<p>Shall we take this discussion elsewhere? I think so... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

[Superfresa]

Mzoltarp, they may only be Communist in name in terms of politics and finance, But have a quick look at their sub-standard products in any area of the market - not necessarily cars - and you'll notice evidence of Communism. I'd just hate to see such obstination with monetary issues present in the Chinese companies completely wreck the work done by those who have decided to create vehicles that suit a lifestyle, that have art within them, and that make the world something more than a grey boring space full of products but with no culture, beauty or humanity left. <p>I'd hate to see a group of money hungry people lead a company with underpaid workers into the biggest sins in the Automotive industry, creating only a product. And above all, I'd hate to see it succeed and make the companies that have morals in their approach to the industry. It's a big term to swallow, But a product that is only a product with no sense of art, no sense of fitting in an environment, is Poison for humanity.

[mzoltarp]

Morals in business is a nice concept to dream of, but business can be quite the contrary regardless of country of origin. Thus, the best and only way to approach the economic might of China, is to play ball. Standing at the helm of a moralistic sinking ship of a business might do wonders for one's halo, but nothing for one's longevity. The human rights violations in China do trouble me, but if I were DC for example, I would realize that I alone could not solve it. Folding one's arms and refusing to do business with the Chinese would an act of suicide.

[cyberpunk3]

Business is business and as long as they don't carbon copy every design known to man, I'd have less of a problem with inferior products being sold under the blind sensibility of cheap-is-good.<p>A country with a workforce that great can rise up to be greater than it is now, but the government is just not cutting it.<p>While the rich folks (really, really rich and lots of 'em too) are buying MB/Caddys/etc by the butt load, the struggling fledglings are creating incompetent vehicles that frankly only steal sales from those that are worth buying at that price point. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/angry.gif" BORDER="0">

[Superfresa]

I beg to differ.<p>Since centuries ago, we've had problems with products. Products that were so industrialized, that artists had to do their damndest to counteract this. If you think of the Industrial revolution in the 18th, 19th and 20th century, There were object being pumped out at massive rates. How could art compete? Well, It had to find ways, and despite the terrible threat, Art has survived, sort of.<p>I see the car industry no different. No matter how many Chinese products, how many Daewoos, Kias and to lesser extent Hyundais and Toyotas they sell, I will promote the survival of automobiles that promote the culture of art, that improve the lives of people whilst retaining the value of beauty, and most certainly, By combating the quasi-socialist wave of a grey world, struck with mass produced goods that may pose as a solution, but in fact are only thedecadence of a humanity focused on products.<p>I'll write properly about it later.<p>But for the sake of quickly explaining what I mean, would you dig the idea of music being sold on a value for money basis? Would you walk up to your local restaurant for dinner, and ask for the exact mass of the dinner they offer, to quickly calculate which one will be more food for your money? Would you buy a Painting created in a form that is easily mass produced, so you can save 5 dollars per painting, to put on your lounge room wall? Would you read a book depending only on the words you get for your money?<p>No, You wouldn't.<p>Ok, in the case of a product. You have your house designed, and you get told that you can save a few dollars by ordering a pre-built shed that has all your necessities, yet you chose to build a home that you'd like to live in, paying attention to your needs and likes, and making it look good. You make sure you live in a piece of architecture, not a piece of socialism.<p>Why would you buy a car that was made in the best buisness practices, but that was made in the only interest of selling billions of them?<p>I wouldn't buy one. Which is why So many car manufacturers - regardless of their country of origin - have yet a lot to prove in my book...

[knicks125]

This is a good break to get back to Chery Shooting Sport<p><I>Break...</I><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif" BORDER="0">

[mzoltarp]

Hehe. Someone must be immersed in his history and economics courses at Uni. Superfresa, it's this simple: you believe in justice and honor in business and that IS honorable. I commend you for your admirable beliefs. I actually share them to an extent, but my point is that with the Chinese they are out the window and that's what we have been dealt. I enjoy your defenses because you clearly demonstrate intelligence. I say build the Chery and send it here.

[Superfresa]

I dont do History and I dont do economics. The Industrialization was more frightening than the Chinese coming, and I'm sure people were delighted to own products they could never before. But I'm glad a few people fought to maintain those products be worth it, Philosophically speaking, and now I refuse to buy modernity packaged in a box that's exactly like everyone elses and that does nothing for mankind, except as a short term price driven solution to ego. <p>Right. Lets get back into the Thingamebob Glued together at midnight by 10 year olds that everyone will buy because they're cheap. It reminds me of buying noodles. You buy them because they're quick to do, not because they're an enjoyable meal.<p>I'm glad someone works so that noodles aren't the only thing on offer at supermarkets though. Can You imagine Hyundai, Toyota or Chery branded noodles? I can just see people buying them by dozens. they're such good value for money, that why should you buy anything else?<p>I'll leave you to discuss how many features the thingamebob has for the price. <p>Good Night!

[DrPetrus]

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Superfresa</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd hate to see a group of money hungry people lead a company with underpaid workers into the biggest sins in the Automotive industry, creating only a product. And above all, I'd hate to see it succeed and make the companies that have morals in their approach to the industry. It's a big term to swallow, But a product that is only a product with no sense of art, no sense of fitting in an environment, is Poison for humanity.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You are talking about GM, aren't you?<p><br>Sorry, couldn't resist the urge. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/laugh2.gif" BORDER="0">

[synthesis]

Cars, fellas.... Let's talk about cars.

[knicks125]

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