View Full Version : Hyundai confirms its next-gen Tiburon coupe will be rear-whe
05-01-2005, 01:54 AM
"FUTURE Driven" Hyundai will abandoning front-wheel drive for its next Tiburon.<p>Due to be unveiled towards the end of 2007 before a local debut the following year, the rear-wheel drive coupe will be a "serious sports car", according to a senior Hyundai Motor Company executive.<p>Although details are scant, it is believed the Tiburon replacement will be a three-door coupe featuring many of the styling cues as well as the general proportions displayed on the HCD-8 Concept Car, which made its global debut at the 2004 Detroit motor show and has since appeared in Melbourne.<p>The HCD-8, as it stands, is powered by a supercharged version of a current 2.7-litre DOHC V6 with a six-speed manual gearbox.<p>However, variations of Hyundai's new-generation 3.3 and 3.8-litre V6 engines are expected to debut in the 2+2 seater sports car, with the latter one likely to be the range-topper.<p>"Yes, we are developing rear-wheel drive for the next sports car," was the surprising response from Hyun Soon Lee, Executive Senior Vice President for Hyundai Motor Corporation.<p>This remark came after a suggestion from the gathered press at the opening of the 2005 Seoul motor show in South Korea that the company seek the passionate sports car route to increase its global youth appeal, rather than simply focus on quality.<p>Mr Lee's remark even caught out other Hyundai executives.<p>It is a surprising development for a model that started out as the very unsporty two-door derivation of the front-wheel drive Hyundai X2 Excel of 1990 called the S-Coupe.<p>That car's predecessor jumped up to the 1995 J2 Lantra platform to become the SX, FX and SFX Coupe until the current, sharper - but still front-wheel drive - Tiburon came into the fray in 2002.<p>A rear-wheel drive sports car is in line with Hyundai's desire to push its vehicles further upmarket.<p>Such a model willl probably share many components with a rear-wheel drive sedan in much the same way that Nissan's 350Z has spawned a range of mostly-US market Infinity products such as the G35.<p>There has been speculation for some time that Hyundai was considering releasing a luxury line of vehicles above the current, Sonata-derived Grandeur - which has just had a complete makeover and is the star of Hyundai's stand at Seoul.<p>Adding further credence to Hyundai's sports image push is its re-entry into the World Rally Championship from 2008.<p>The company says it will field an all-wheel drive "sports car" very loosely derived from the yet-to-be released Accent replacement, the front-wheel drive MC4 small car.
05-01-2005, 02:24 AM
Its very rare hearing a manufacture changin the traditional drive-train (i think thats what its called)... Breaking the FWD tradition wit this car fa RWD... i like it... <p>Y cant other manufacturers do it to their cars.... especially Toyota with the Celica (used to be RWD once), Camry and Avalon. Honda wit the Accord and Integra. yeah<p>The Tiburon atm is mad compared to the japs... im guess the all-new one will be a killer...<p>Well the Celica and Integra will be extinct soon... so probs doesnt matter
05-01-2005, 02:45 AM
Sounds good - it sounds like Hyundai is really gearing up to become a big force in the car market.<p>But about the FWD/RWD issue, yes, Toyota really messed it up with the Celica, but Honda shouldn't change the FWD philosphy with their mainstream cars. Their FWD cars are the best handling cars in the world, FWD or RWD. Honda's are masters at FWD, they have hardly any understeer, unlike some other FWD cars.
05-01-2005, 06:33 AM
My guess is that in the USA they will be targeting the Mustang in terms of price. Now if they can just throw in a sweet compact V8, the pony car wars are back on.
Nice to hear, now if only they were to put in a V8 like mzoltarp mentioned, make the styling exactly like the HCD-8 Concept Car (which I had the honour of seeing in person here at the adelaide motor show) and price it around the same as the Mustang V8 these would sell like Mother F***ING hotcakes!!!<p>Now if only Volvo considered making one of their cars RWD like the used to do to all of their cars before the 90s that would be even better.
05-02-2005, 12:04 PM
It doesnt need a V8..<p>what it DOES need (if it wants to be a hot seller within the tuner market).. is a Turbo.<p>A solid Turbo V6, something unique to the tuner market.. that would be great.
05-02-2005, 12:56 PM
where is that article from? Is the source reliable?
05-02-2005, 05:46 PM
Whoa. This is NOT what GM needed to hear right now!<p>When this hits, and if its right, Hyundai will officially be a contender.
05-02-2005, 06:06 PM
It needs a V8 period. A V6 regardless of power does not a pony car make. Hyundai, do a V8 and show GM what they should have done. My Mustang arrives in June and now I may have to buy another Hyundai. My XG300 was awesome and I would buy another Hyundai in a flash.
05-03-2005, 07:43 AM
I don't think Hyundai needs a V8 in the car to make it competetive, it will sell.<br>IMHO, the Mustang and the Tiburon cater to slightly different segements of the market. The Mustang has a slightly higher average buyer age, as welll as a the Detroit Iron appeal inherent in the legendary pony car. The Tiburon is an import, has a lower average buyer age and is more aimed at the Mitsubishi Eclipse crowd.
05-03-2005, 12:24 PM
Yes, I have to agree. Tiburon buyers and Mustang GT buyers are very different demographics and mindsets. Furthermore, V8 is a drawback to most of the market. Gas prices and the market segment looking at affordable sporty coupes demand 4 and 6 cylinder engines. Developing a V8 is expensive too, raising prices and reducing the potential. A V6 can be used in a wider variety of other vehicles (like they do now). Besides, most Mustangs sold are V6's so it's not all that necessary (period!).
05-04-2005, 06:22 PM
The Mustang is the better target. If you're going for a target one is better than many. The import tuner crowd is too multifaceted to make a huge score. The Mustang is a bogey of ONE. Hence, if they target the Mustang they will get infinitely more mileage in terms of positive press than if they are competing with the Eclipse and the WRX and the Evo and the civic coupe and the and the and the and the. If you want to score big you pick a narrow focus and provide a compelling argument. When the Chevy Camaro showed up it did just this. The Mustang was the lone bogey. The best thing that ever happened to the Camaro was the Mustang. Once Chevy went there then a plethora of pony cars sprouted.
05-08-2005, 02:47 PM
forgive me if I'm wrong, but did the article ever say it was tageting the mustang? Even if it was, most mustangs are sold with the v6's anyways. I think the eclipse is the target they're going for. Maybe a hybrid is in the works, too.<p>i wonder if they're still going to go for the retractable hard-top like the current Tiburon had a concept of. The "targa" feature was very innoative.
05-08-2005, 03:18 PM
ndjan: what articles say are not necessarily gospel truth. If Hyundai is social climbing then the Eclipse is the WRONG target. The Eclipse is off its game even in the brand-new form. Road and Track was not that complimentary of the new, extremely overweight Eclipse. If Hyundai wants to become an iconic brand it has to take on an icon. The Mitsubishi Eclipse ceased being one the minute they stopped making the turbo all-wheel-drive model. Has anyone ever considered that Hyundai may want to set the mark as opposed to meeting it? If they want to be the one to beat being Eclipse II is not a wise move.
05-12-2005, 01:14 PM
Plus the convertible would be even hotter!!!<p>More pics here - <A HREF="http://www.ottawahyundai.com/oh04/news/news07.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ottawahyundai.com/oh04/news/news07.html</A><p><A HREF="http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i1008/100822_00mg.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://us1.webpublications.com...g.jpg</A><p><A HREF="http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i1008/100822_2mg.jpg" TARGET="_blank">http://us1.webpublications.com...g.jpg</A><p>
05-12-2005, 02:22 PM
If you read the article Hyundai officials say a RWD sports car is in the works but they never say its the Tiburon... so it doesn't necessarily mean the Tiburon is going to be RWD. I think they are going to release something above the Tiburon more in the lines of the Z and RX-8.. thats just what I get from the info from the remarks Hyundai officials themselves said.<p>Hyundai is not really looking at Ford as competition. I really doubt whatever RWD sports car this is going to be is going to be specifically aimed at the Mustang. They will probably continue to work to make their presence in the import tuner market like they've been working on for awhile... especially with the rapid growth of "drifting".
05-28-2005, 10:45 PM
According to this article from automobile.com - <A HREF="http://car-reviews.automobile.com/news/hyundai-confirms-development-of-rear-wheel-drive-sports-car/1239" TARGET="_blank">http://car-reviews.automobile..../1239</A>/ it looks like this RWD sports car will be the 4th gen Tibby.<p>Among other items discussed, the lambda engines (3.3/3.8) are likely to be the source for the next gen <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
05-29-2005, 08:09 PM
No one told me the HCD-8 was AWD... isn't it FWD? I'm almost sure it is. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The article was well-written, but I probably would have believed it more if they actually used apostrophes (Hyundais vs. Hyundai's). If they overlooked it so many times, they probably didn't pay much attention to the article's information either. But still a good article <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
05-30-2005, 12:53 AM
it is very unlike asian carmakers to put a V8 into a smaller sports car. They have seemed to master the V6 so why bother with more expensive and gas guzzling engines? I don't know why everyone thinks the Tiburon, which costs about $16,000, would ever go against a $25k+ Mustang GT or even more riduculous a $35k+ G35/350Z. Hyundai has built its reputation on inexpensive cars that have good quality and good value so it would be very odd to try to sell expensive cars all of a sudden or to expect to compete wiht more expensive cars....just look what happened to the phaeton (although given, thats a little more drastic). <p>Furthermore, as the civic, accord, corolla, jetta, camry, etc all seem to keep getting more and more expensive, there will be ever more room in the cheap sporty entry level car niche which Hyundai can consume.
05-30-2005, 07:58 AM
Great points MBcrazE and I agree all along.<p>As for moving upscale, perhaps it's Hyundai's entry into its luxury/premium division, kinda like Toyota/Lexus...
05-30-2005, 12:47 PM
Like I said, thats what I get from the Article. The Hyundai officials never say "the Tiburon will be RWD" or "the Tuscany will be RWD"... they mention a halo model, like what the Z is to Nissan, the Miata + RX8 for Mazda, the GTO/Solstice for Pontiac... <p>I don't know. Its not impossible, thats just how I see it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>-I believe Mega said they've already started on the new Tiburon and that its based on the new Sonata platform and the top model will sport either a supercharged Delta II or the new Sonata's 3.3l V6.... to me that seems more likely for the new Tiburon.
05-30-2005, 03:26 PM
Regardless of how good the car will be, it would be downright assanine to offer a V8 to compete with the mustang. Few ford loyalists would buy a Hyundai. To move upmarket for Hyundai, they would need to compete with upscale cars from japanese companies. The rx8 and g335 are probably what they are going to target.
05-30-2005, 04:43 PM
With the current weight of the Tiburon, there is no need for a V8. If the Lambda 3.8L were to be placed in th next gen Tibby, in my estimation, I would think the power output could easily be in the range of 280 to 300hp, given correct tuning, plus adquate torque.<p>That said, I think Hyundai would devise a new V8, or a revised V8 based on the current one in its homemarket (on the equus), to be placed in its first luxury car in the US. RWD/AWD is a good possiblity, similarly to 300.
05-30-2005, 08:11 PM
If Hyundai is serious about entering luxury upmarket fields then it should do so under a different name, just as the article suggests Nissan did with Infiniti (off topic but people need to learn how to spell Infiniti). Otherwise, as i said before, it will be like the Phaeton being sold alongside a Bug.... not only do people care about the image of the car company they buy from, but i personally would not want my $120,000 W12 Phaeton being worked on by the same people who handle $15,000 Golfs.
05-30-2005, 11:51 PM
THe HCD-8 is a FWD car. I personally think that if Hyundai is going the way of RWD (which I think they should have done a while ago) go after the Z, Boxter, BMW, etc. don't mess around, make it nasty as possible. Drop the Equus 4.5L in that bad boy.
05-31-2005, 07:06 AM
As I said before and I will say again...if they aim the Tiburon (or whatever the name of the rear drive sports car) at the the import tuner crowd they will be entering an extremely crowded market where getting attention will be supremely difficult. If you aren't a Mitsu Evo or Subie WRX you're an also ran in a field of also rans with more also rans on the way. IF the rear drive vehicle took on a car that is in a field of one say the Corvette or Mustang, both of which offer insane levels of performance for reasonable prices, and if you do it well, you will get constant comparison between the icon and your Hyundai upstart. That is advertising that NO ONE can buy. As much fun as the EVO and the WRX are, they are also painful to live with on a daily basis. My point is that Hyundai is thinking outside the box with its rear drive future products so it suprises me how many people here are wholly unwilling to think what if? Thinking freely is how entrepreneurs make fortunes and that is what Hyundai is up to.
05-31-2005, 05:36 PM
The Tib won't ever be aimed at the WRX or Evo. Like you said, they aren't great all time cars. I expect whatever segment they aim the new Tib at it'll throw everyone for a loop. Make it as nasty as the Grand Am Series Tib and I'm happy. Motor trend did an atricle a while back on the both the racing and production Tibs.
06-05-2005, 10:29 AM
It's still mostly speculations as to whether the next gen Tibby would be rear-wheel or front-wheel drive, although I hope it would be rwd simply for the sheer excitement; along with the 3.3L V6 Lambda, I would assume that puppy would push somewhere in the 250hp range, given the specs of the car
06-05-2005, 10:27 PM
Exactly, there is no direct confirmation on whether the next Tib is fact a RWD or not. The 3.3L is almost a lock, and the idea of the 3.8L as an optional engine is not a bad idea (if weight can be kept down), but this is all a rumor at this point.
06-06-2005, 12:57 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MBcrazE</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If Hyundai is serious about entering luxury upmarket fields then it should do so under a different name, just as the article suggests Nissan did with Infiniti (off topic but people need to learn how to spell Infiniti). </TD></TR></TABLE><p>In Korea, there is the Equus brand, which is more or less the luxury brand of Hyundai. They might introduce it worldwide.
06-06-2005, 03:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MBcrazE</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If Hyundai is serious about entering luxury upmarket fields then it should do so under a different name, just as the article suggests Nissan did with Infiniti (off topic but people need to learn how to spell Infiniti). Otherwise, as i said before, it will be like the Phaeton being sold alongside a Bug.... not only do people care about the image of the car company they buy from, but i personally would not want my $120,000 W12 Phaeton being worked on by the same people who handle $15,000 Golfs. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>While we are still waiting to see the specs of this car, Hyundai has confirmed it will bring over to the US its luxury division. I would hope/assume it would have a new name, kind like, as you mentioned, Nissan/Infiniti; or Toyota/Lexus; or Honda/Acura. Although we are still a few years off from such introduction, I believe the unveiling of the Azera has given all of us a glimpse of what future hyundai products will look like.
06-06-2005, 05:25 PM
Quick note, the Motor Trend articles doesn't "confirm" a RWD TIburon. Actually it doesn't really confirm anything about the Tiburon. Only thing they say for sure is that Hyundai has a RWD platform that will be used for a sports car (Tib or not) and the luxury brand. <p>Side note, the purple pimp wagon is gonna be built, nice.
06-06-2005, 05:34 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Quick note, the Motor Trend articles doesn't "confirm" a RWD TIburon. Actually it doesn't really confirm anything about the Tiburon. Only thing they say for sure is that Hyundai has a RWD platform that will be used for a sports car (Tib or not) and the luxury brand. <p>Side note, the purple pimp wagon is gonna be built, nice.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Just an idea, one sports coupe (Tibby) under Hyundai's name...another sports coupe, under its luxury brand <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>purple pimp wagon...sounds cool, but what is it ?? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.germancarfans.com/images/forums/nixweiss.gif" BORDER="0">
06-06-2005, 07:06 PM
The Portico. It's under the sketch in Motor Trend. Says Hyundai is planning on building it.
06-06-2005, 07:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Portico. It's under the sketch in Motor Trend. Says Hyundai is planning on building it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Right...the Portico. I like that concept a lot and applaud the idea for Hyundai going forward with the project <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
06-13-2005, 04:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>megadethmartyr</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Drop the Equus 4.5L in that bad boy.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The Equus' 4.5-L V8 is slightly older than you--it's a relatively ancient Mitsubishi design, rather than something from Hyundai itself.<p>The forthcoming BH (luxury sedan) will be RWD, and it should have a new corporate V8 engine as an option. The platform underneath it will be shared with the sportscar referred to in the article, as well as some other vehicles, too...
06-13-2005, 10:50 PM
I know the enigine is old. I also know it's an extremely torwuey enigine that does and exceptional job of putting one into the back of the seat. I also know where people on the west coast can see one. I also know that there aren't many that have driven it.
06-14-2005, 12:37 PM
Actually hyundai's 'Omega' V8 is not that old - the latest incarnation was developed in 1999 in conjuction with mitsu and features direct injection. That said for such a large engine it develops fairly moderate power output in the Equus (274bhp). Since the 3.8 lambda puts out nearly as much power and it is a much lighter engine i would guess it would be a better bet for a future sports car.
06-14-2005, 12:59 PM
That V8 developed almost entirely by mitsu was probably one of the most disappointing new engines when it was launched in "1999". Despite all the technology and larger diaplacement, it still failed to match the decade older original "1989" lexus V8 engine in power and just slightly beat it in torque. Hyndai should consider building an entirely new V8 if they want to be competitive with their upcoming luxury car. As for the sports coupe, the lambda V6 is sufficient.
06-18-2005, 10:01 AM
"Sufficient" is never enough. This is why Ford is building a Shelby Mustang GT500. As John Lennon said: "Power to the people! Right on!"
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