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Naga Royal Guard 11-06-2019 12:40 PM

Toyota and Subaru are at it again?
 
https://leftlanenews.com/subaru/suba...r-coupe-rumor/

"The next-generation Subaru WRX and flagship WRX STI may return to a two-door coupe for its next generation.
The company's development partnership with Toyota could extend to the WRX duo, not just the next-generation BRZ and Toyota 86, according to Japan's Best Car


Part of the WRX's appeal are it's usable form factors. A 2 door is a fine addition but dropping the sedan or hatch wouldn't be a good idea.

Hopefully Toyota does not dilute the goodness (and what are they doing with Mazda?).

Might as well post this while I still have the ability to post.

pjl35 11-06-2019 02:26 PM

Agreed - if they want to add it that's great, but replacing it over the sedan/hatch makes no sense...particularly given the dying coupe market. At least they're not making it a crossover...yet?

Naga Royal Guard 11-07-2019 02:17 AM

CG of those boxer engines is low enough to allow a crossover handle quite well. But, yes, keep it closer to the ground.

mick78 11-07-2019 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Naga Royal Guard (Post 500042)
CG of those boxer engines is low enough to allow a crossover handle quite well. But, yes, keep it closer to the ground.

With larger wheels (think unsprung weight), ride height and roof height increased, the center of gravity of the engine is probably not the first thing that ruins handling though....

Naga Royal Guard 11-07-2019 01:13 PM

I maintain that CG is such a fixed, nonadjustable (unlike your list up there) fundamental chassis factor that it's influence is profound and under rated. Its not ideal but a better combination than any of BMW's smaller fast SUVs. Of course i'd rather they keep the present formula and offer a 2 door coupe, 4 door sedan and 5 door hatch. Practicality is part of what sells the WRX/STi imo.

I bring up CG as im just amazed how maneuverable a ho hum rental fleet impreza handles.

As for ride height, how much ground clearance to modern Crossovers have anyway?

How much better a Porsche Makan would handle if it had a low CG flat engine?

mick78 11-07-2019 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Naga Royal Guard (Post 500053)
I maintain that CG is such a fixed, nonadjustable (unlike your list up there) fundamental chassis factor that it's influence is profound and under rated.

I didn't want to say that center of gravity is unimportant, in contrast, just SUVs/CUVS already mess the CoG up big time by their shape and generally added weight(and yes, even huge wheels move that up, apart from ruining ride and handling), that the influence of flat 4 vs. a normal inline engine is less of an issue compared to a lower coupe/sports car/roadster; Even a good CUV usually floates a lot more and handles less sweet than an average sedan/hatchback of comparable category; You can't trick physics....

And to the Imprezza: A good chassis will always show, just as much as an (below) average one will, despite all the trickery higher end models offer; I'd even go as far that, power aside, the lighter weight, not huge wheels base models of hatchbacks (and small sedans) often handle sweeter than some over assisted, super firm (and heavier) range topping car, that probably have better grip, but also more weight, but again. sheer steering feel and nimbleness of handling can suffer

Vormund 11-07-2019 02:59 PM

They only mention the WRX STI not the standard WRX so maybe it's just a special run just like the original WRX STI 2 door coupe.

It'll probably be mostly a BRZ but maybe with a WRX front end. That's my guess.

Naga Royal Guard 11-08-2019 02:48 AM

And then theres the BRZ enigma. Let's hope 2.0 is good (and offers a manual).


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