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Old 08-16-2018, 05:58 AM
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:23 AM
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Out of all Z4s so far, IMo the least good, special pr premium looking. Overhangs are too long, the rear end looks as stubby as it would have to take a massive CC top (which it does not, unlike the predecessor, that still looked slimmer), and there are many lines, too many for my taste.

I'm sure it's technically a good car, but I think a roadster or sports car is bought a lot on looks, and this is average at best in that respect.
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Old 08-16-2018, 01:03 PM
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It looks short and thick which is the opposite of flowing. BMW has done nothing to reverse the reality that this does not sell well.
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Old 08-16-2018, 01:45 PM
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It looks short and thick which is the opposite of flowing. BMW has done nothing to reverse the reality that this does not sell well.
To be fair, iu think even magic could not reverse the market trend away from small 2seat convertibles right now; But this is clearly not a best effort never the less....
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Old 08-16-2018, 11:51 PM
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To be fair, iu think even magic could not reverse the market trend away from small 2seat convertibles right now; But this is clearly not a best effort never the less....
The market went away NOT because of a lack of interest but due to an utter lack of value for the money in the current pricing. A Mustang GT can easily cost half of the price of an optioned Z4 and yet the Mustang is far better looking, more entertaining, and delivers tremendous performance because it is a tremendous amount of car for the money.

The Z4 is a rip off by comparison.

It would be EASY to double or triple the sales (because doubling or tripling horrid is easy).

$30K base with a 2.0T
$35K mid with 6 cylinder
$40k top with 6 cylinder turbo

well-equipped as-is, no tick-tock option bundles

i.e. radically increase the value and place it as an entry-level model that is very obtainable.

There simply is no justification for its current pricing.

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Old 08-17-2018, 07:33 AM
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Sports cars have never been about measurable value, but fun per $/EUR/GBP...

I tend to disagree that there is no lack of interest, the mustang GT is great value in the US, but the demand dropped everywhere in the world, even in parts where it is expensive or not on sale; 2 seat roadsters lost their appeal already 10-15 years ago (just look at global sales figures), when the hot hatch (or sedan) came back and grabbed many customers, and left not only the Miata but everything up to a Boxster with a hair dressers car image; Nowadays, the look at me guy who spent a lot on his (expensive German) drop top "sportscar" in the late 90ies buys an Audi SQ5, BMW X4 or sort.

again, whilst you would sell every German premium car at 30k, it just won't happen as long as they have growth rates despite their ridiculous pricing overall, and thus don't care if they sell a few more or less of their Barbie special convertibles, especially if they could share the development costs anyway in this case. Given the number of badge snobs, no premium car maker needs to adapt pricing form a commercial point of view....
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Old 08-17-2018, 08:10 PM
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Yeah I'm surprised the proportions are off, especially the overhang and the chunky exterior. The previous generation had better proportions and it had packaging challenges with the metal roof. This model has no such constraints.
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...again, whilst you would sell every German premium car at 30K....
While you can throw the sneer if you want, using the Z4 as an entry-level premium product makes tremendous sense. Mercedes and Audi have no issue with $30K range premium offerings so to act like a $30K price is unthinkable is just ignorant.

Also, nice attempt at trying to accuse me of something I did not say. NEVER have I said every German premium car should be $30K.

REALITY: The Z4 would easily double or triple is sales as an affordable entry-level "halo" car that sets the stage for BMW sportiness.

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the Z3 was originally a miata competitor, with a lower powered engine and all

not such a bad idea really
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I'm not convinced by the front/side but i love the back half of the car and interior is a typical BMW affair which isn't bad. Headlights seem like the belong on a Jaguar though...The outgoing Z4 is my favorite in terms of design but this new one looks like it could look a lot more funky and interesting to the eye, with a sportier intention. If this was done by a more mainstream manufacturer like Ford or Honda, to compete with the MX-5 i would be sold, shame i can't afford the BMW pricing and running costs.
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