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Old 07-21-2018, 09:53 PM
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Default Fiat Chrysler CEO passes away (1952-2018)

Oh wow...

https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/21/new...own/index.html
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Old 07-22-2018, 12:00 AM
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Get well Sergio. Enjoy some time off.
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Old 07-22-2018, 01:34 AM
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While on one hand we have concern for a positive outcome with Marchionne, his resignation will be a BIG benefit for FCA.

Manley is the replacement and he is a much stronger product guy and is more decisive. FCA clearly needs a platform, merger, or buyout partner ASAP and Hyundai-Kia is the perfect solution.

Put Stinger/G70 on a crash development for a new Challenger and Charger.
Return Ram to Dodge.
Pacifica becomes a Dodge
Co-brand Hyundai with Dodge.

Kill Chrysler.

Co-brand Kia and Jeep.

Send Fiat packing back to Italy, but use a Hyundai platform for a new 500 and a couple small Fiat crossovers for Europe.

Leverage the Genesis G80 for a new Ghibli and the G90 for a new Quattoporte.

Reposition Genesis.

Let Alfa-Romeo run its course on the Giorgio platform.

With the exception of Alfa-Romeo, quality would sky rocket.
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Old 07-23-2018, 07:53 AM
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Whilst a very debatable CEO, and many wish he would leave, I guess no one wished it this way; All the best for him;

Depsite all his questionable announcements and decisions concerning brands and models, it still rmeinas debatable wjether both Fiat and Chrysler would still be alive today without him, given how poorly both were doing already 10-15 years ago (and both having gone through not so great partnerships with GM resp. Daimler - even worse - before); And at least the Hellcats keep the real American muscle car alive, Jeep is doing better than ever, and who would have thought that we would see proper RWD Alfa Romeos again?
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Old 07-23-2018, 09:20 AM
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While on one hand we have concern for a positive outcome with Marchionne, his resignation will be a BIG benefit for FCA.

Manley is the replacement and he is a much stronger product guy and is more decisive. FCA clearly needs a platform, merger, or buyout partner ASAP and Hyundai-Kia is the perfect solution.

Put Stinger/G70 on a crash development for a new Challenger and Charger.
Return Ram to Dodge.
Pacifica becomes a Dodge
Co-brand Hyundai with Dodge.

Kill Chrysler.

Co-brand Kia and Jeep.

Send Fiat packing back to Italy, but use a Hyundai platform for a new 500 and a couple small Fiat crossovers for Europe.

Leverage the Genesis G80 for a new Ghibli and the G90 for a new Quattoporte.

Reposition Genesis.

Let Alfa-Romeo run its course on the Giorgio platform.

With the exception of Alfa-Romeo, quality would sky rocket.
Some of your suggestions make a lot of sense. Others, not so much (co-branding Kia and Jeep?!?!?). The question is, does KIA/Hyundai need FCA? FCA can still walk on its own anyway for a bit longer.

By now we all consider Sergio Marchionne a money man, not really a product man. He focussed on business rather that cars. It made sense for some time and kept FCA alive, but i think cars must be back to focus again.

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Old 07-23-2018, 02:59 PM
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...The question is, does KIA/Hyundai need FCA? FCA can still walk on its own anyway for a bit longer...
Hyundai definitely needs Jeep and it needs Ram. It's a win for Maserati that needs new product desperately that isn't Chrysler 300 based like the Quattroporte, Ghibli, and the Levantate (sic). It's also a win for Fiat for platforms.

FCA cannot walk on its own much longer. Fiat is collapsing. Alfa Romeo has utterly failed to get traction and has an unsustainably tiny output. The same story holds for Maserati. Chrysler is dead with the aged 300 and the Pacifica that has failed to be the volume vehicle FCA needs. They need crossovers in addition to Jeep for Chrysler or Dodge and there's nothing. The Charger and Challenger are doing well in a lucrative market but they are ancient with no new product out there in prototype form.

Sergio Marchionne has put FCA in a terribly perilous situation.
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Old 07-23-2018, 03:26 PM
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Hyundai definitely needs Jeep and it needs Ram. It's a win for Maserati that needs new product desperately that isn't Chrysler 300 based like the Quattroporte, Ghibli, and the Levantate (sic). It's also a win for Fiat for platforms.
I'm not sure they NEED those brands, as Hyundai/KIA is comfortably large enough as tehy are now, and certainly would be able to pump out more models - even for another to create brand. But certainly access to brands like Jeep, Maserati or even Alfa Romeo in terms of image, and RAM for access to the American commercial vehicle market (as would be Fiat professional in Europe, which is a huge player unlike Hyundai). This is easier than creating something form scratch (as a brand, not a car), and if one thing FCA has done comparably well is to give the brand a certain profile/design language (whether it is to everyone's liking is a different story), and a certain desirability, and these are points where H/K could learn a thing or two, given how close Kia and Hyundai still are, and how Genesis still needs a proper profile as a brand (not that the products are bad);

Altogether, both could benefit, but definitely there would be too many brands in the end, and some would have to go, or at least being kept local, like selling Genesis cars as Maserati abroad, e.g.;
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Old 07-23-2018, 04:20 PM
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I think this could be the Agnelli family's plan:

Sell Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, and Ram outright.

Hyundai desperately needs Jeep and Ram yesterday for their product portfolio.

Keep Fiat, Alfa-Romeo, and Maserati.

Put Hyundai in a managerial role in those companies for platforms and products for a specified amount of time as a condition of letting the golden geese (Jeep and Ram) go.

That would ensure Italian jobs and put competent engineering into the products for the first time in ever all while retaining Italian ownership.

If you have the Maserati nameplate, then you don't need Genesis, but Maserati needs Genesis cars to have a shot at ever succeeding.

Maseratis should be big comfortable cruisers. Alfa-Romeo should be positioned as an Italian muscle car with prices that would encourage people to buy them.

The Giulia's base price should have been nearer $30K to stimulate sales and the Quadrapleggio should have been a $45K vehicle.
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Looks like Marchionne didn't fair well in the surgery at all. He reportedly suffered a cerebral embolism and has no hope of coming off of life support: https://www.motor1.com/news/258472/m...t-no-recovery/
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Old 07-25-2018, 12:38 AM
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I’ve mixed emotions on Sergio; but nobody deserves that type of illness and probable ending to their life.

Fingers crossed that he beats the odds here.
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