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Old 05-18-2017, 12:22 AM
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I think you'd be crazy not to look at this if you were going to buy a Q5 or GLC or any other car in the segment.
But what if you were going to buy the Lexus? A NA aspirated V6 engine and Toyota reliability is hard to pass up. The Lexus doesn't have a gorgeous interior, but I think it still looks very nice.

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In Europe new Volvos are really expensive -on par with the Germans, and they do sell very good.
Well, that's why I made my comments specific to the U.S. market. ;)

I remember reading earlier in the thread (I think it was this thread) that Volvo's sell well in Europe. I like Volvo's designs, but I can't see else makes them so popular in Europe (esp since nearly all makes take crash safety very seriously now). Any idea on why Volvos are so popular in Europe (and not so much in the U.S.)?
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Old 05-18-2017, 02:24 AM
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Any idea on why Volvos are so popular in Europe (and not so much in the U.S.)?

To put it as short as possible: completely different tastes across the pond

Volvos are probably the best alternative to the Germans and their recent styling is absolutely spot on.

Please remember that Japanese premium cars are also-rans here - they don't have diesels(and it's still obligatory in larger cars) plus they don't really cater to European tastes.There's always something wrong with them - either handling, or ugly design, wrong powertrains, interiors, whatever.
Lexus sales are very low, Infiniti is a joke and Acura has never sold its cars in Europe.
American premiums are not present here(they wouldn't sell anyway)

So viable alternatives to the Germans are much more limited and recent Volvos really are good cars. And I think they're also very popular in their home country, so it probably helps a bit overall.
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Old 05-18-2017, 02:56 AM
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Whereas here, Volvos used to be for people who wanted to pretend they had a fine European sedan but couldn't afford a Mercedes making Volvo a near-do-well brand.
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Old 05-18-2017, 11:52 AM
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In Europe they were also cheaper and kind of near premium, but with the new generation XC90 and S90/V90 they had enough confidence to price it on par with Germans and so far it seems to work. Still long way till Volvo catches them on volume, but they're going in the right direction. And with the upcoming small XC40 they might get as close as never before.
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Old 05-18-2017, 04:25 PM
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Whereas here, Volvos used to be for people who wanted to pretend they had a fine European sedan but couldn't afford a Mercedes making Volvo a near-do-well brand.
I don't know if I'd put it THAT harshly. I think older Volvos (70s and 80s) had a reputation for being ultra conservative (design-wise), non-ostentatious, fairly reliable, and very safe. I don't know if the people who bought a Volvo truly pined after a MB or BMW. I think they were for people who wanted a European car and didn't like the "baggage" that came w/ a MB or BMW.

Thanks for the response, madskillz. I do think that the average U.S. buyer prizes durability, easy of maintenance, and obvious comfort, over, well, all the other stuff you mentioned.
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http://www.automobilemag.com/news/20...w-first-drive/

Really shocked at how much I love this car. Styling is 10/10. Just came across the pics in this article and came to the realization that I've somehow become a Volvo fanboy. Thought it was just the XC90 :)

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Ikea, Abba, Porn, Volvo
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Ikea, Abba, Porn, Volvo
Notice how after IKEA it gets steadily less interesting?
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makes a recovery but then drops off a bit there yeah
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Ikea, Abba, Porn, Volvo
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