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Old 09-08-2017, 02:14 AM
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S2000 is rumored to debut in Tokyo (probably in concept form).

Maybe a new CR-Z too (more doubtful).

The new Civic (both Type R and base) and further work on the NSX (R model in development now) is proof enough for me that Honda is clearly working on regaining their enthusiast image.

We live in an era now with a new NSX, Civic Type R sold in America, Supra on the way, S2000 coming soon, and an new rotary coupe from Mazda. Japan is cranking out its rebirth one model at a time.
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Old 09-08-2017, 02:57 AM
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Toyota used it's engineering might to build a few very impressive cars and a massive amount of boring reliable stuff. Honda was definitely the livelier of the 2 across the board until the turn of the century.
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Old 09-08-2017, 06:42 AM
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Honda engineers loved to drink, smoke, party and have fun, but then that era stopped. When you are getting paid 10-20k less than your competitors in the midwest for a job in CA, then that is a problem. A lot of Berkman's frustrations come from the fact that Honda does not pay their US workers and treating them like students can cause frustration. Supposedly there is a high turnover.
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Old 09-09-2017, 08:59 AM
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Apparently, S2000 might not be unveiled until LA. Supra is looking like a NAIAS debut as the US is going to be the largest market for this car.

Z has been delayed for a couple of years like the GT-R (waiting on tech?)
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Old 09-27-2017, 05:52 AM
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Honda might be the last to debut their concepts for Tokyo!

FR seems to be the flavor of the month for Japanese sports cars as manufacturers want to build sporty models that take advantage of turbo engines as well as EV. Apparently FR is the best way to build cars with turbo engines as well as hybrids.

Toyota has a mid sized TNGA FR platform for perhaps some kind of GR brand vehicle as well as for Mazda (RX-7/9 or whatever they call it and the Mazda6). Surprised to see a 6 going FR, but who knows if that is true. Could make for a really fun drivers car in the segment compared to the Accord and Camry.

Subaru will have a boxer FR platform for WRX/STi, BRZ, and production Viziv

Toyota might see some kind of 5 door FR vehicle, but not sure if that will happen.
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Old 10-05-2017, 11:54 PM
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http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...refocus-on-evs

Honda is shutting down the Sayama plant to focus on EV's. This is being done so that Honda can improve its capacity and have their plants operating at 100 percent or close to it. This is probably the reason why there are rumors of the RLX production being moved to Ohio as it is being made at the Sayama plant. This is also on the heels of this factory being attacked by the WannaCry ransomware, so Honda feels that overcapacity is a problem. Employees will be transferred to Yorii with cars being built there as well as the Suzuka factory.
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Old 10-05-2017, 11:59 PM
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Given that no one buys the RLX and that's it's a Honda Avalon at E Class prices, the RLX just needs to go. I'd replace it with a production version of the Precision Concept called Legend.
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Old 10-06-2017, 08:58 AM
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What is not helping Acura is that a lot of their current models need huge incentives and supply is rather large. ILX are being sold at $7,000 below MSRP and even that can be a challenge. I think this is a buyers market for Acura sedans, and lets hope they come through an build a proper vehicle like the RLX using a longitudinal eSH-AWD system.
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Old 10-06-2017, 01:17 PM
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What is not helping Acura is that a lot of their current models need huge incentives and supply is rather large. ILX are being sold at $7,000 below MSRP and even that can be a challenge. I think this is a buyers market for Acura sedans, and lets hope they come through an build a proper vehicle like the RLX using a longitudinal eSH-AWD system.
Indeed. Acura has completely lost it's reason for existence as well as targeting what the market will buy. Honda is in a terrible malaise and the result is one lackluster product after another. If Honda had the spark it did in the 80s, it would be ruling the market.
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Old 10-06-2017, 07:32 PM
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Apparently, Acura is pushing 30k rebates on the NSX as nobody is buying it. NSX is a great car, but I think it needs more HP and is overpriced. Many of these examples are the loaded models priced around 200k. Then again Acura might make upgrades in the next couple of years to make it more competitive.
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