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Old 07-19-2018, 02:11 AM
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The revised Leaf is so much more palatable than the ugly first one. This edition is very attractive. It may be the best looking Nissan at the moment. If I were getting an EV, I'd definitely consider a Leaf before a Model 3. This is one of the very few products that Nissan does right.
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Well considering the current leaf in the states starts at 30K or so, and the cheapest model 3 which you can drive now, is def a lot more, plus the build quality on the nissan is probably a lot better. Then it is an easy choice to go for the nissan.
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The revised Leaf is so much more palatable than the ugly first one. This edition is very attractive. It may be the best looking Nissan at the moment. If I were getting an EV, I'd definitely consider a Leaf before a Model 3. This is one of the very few products that Nissan does right.
I know I'm an anti Nissan guy, and a pro Tesla guy (I own a Model S). This said - the biggest issue w/ the Leaf is Nissan's battery management (or lack of) abilities. The cooling / heating of the batteries is basically non-existent; hence - when you see a used on, the battery degradation is borderline horrific; with many losing up to 40% of original capacity.

Also - this Leaf, while notably better looking than the original - is a great example of a mid-model refresh done right. The face / hood / trunk are new - the overall shape (doors notably) is literally the same as the previous gen.
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I know I'm an anti Nissan guy, and a pro Tesla guy (I own a Model S). This said - the biggest issue w/ the Leaf is Nissan's battery management (or lack of) abilities. The cooling / heating of the batteries is basically non-existent; hence - when you see a used on, the battery degradation is borderline horrific; with many losing up to 40% of original capacity.

Also - this Leaf, while notably better looking than the original - is a great example of a mid-model refresh done right. The face / hood / trunk are new - the overall shape (doors notably) is literally the same as the previous gen.
So $30K Leaf on a lease or a $65K Tesla to get battery management. The Leaf easily wins. Then you factor in the better (versus Tesla) quality (and I despise Nissans) and the Leaf is a sweet option to lease. Only a fool would buy an EV for keeps at this point given how technology is leaping. Why would anyone buy a used EV? #counterintuitive
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Leasing makes sense.

No QC issues w/ my Tesla. Most reports are amplified by social media; if GM / Ford / FCA / Nissan / etc had the same social media stuff - we'd be hearing about the concerns.

And, you're not paying for just better battery management; Tesla's are premium products. Nissan's aren't. That's like saying why by a Jetta when a 3 series does the same thing.
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...That's like saying why by a Jetta when a 3 series does the same thing.
And given how lacking Teslas are as premium vehicles the above sentiment is quite appropriate. The Model 3 is a passable $35K car. At $65K it's pathetically horrible.
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And given how lacking Teslas are as premium vehicles the above sentiment is quite appropriate. The Model 3 is a passable $35K car. At $65K it's pathetically horrible.
Huh...best selling premium mid-sized sedan currently (no qualifiers here as well); and that's limited by production, with an industry leading consumer satisfaction rating. I guess your POV is in the minority on that one.

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Huh...best selling premium mid-sized sedan currently (no qualifiers here as well); and that's limited by production, with an industry leading consumer satisfaction rating. I guess your POV is in the minority on that one.
And we're back to your usual mean-spirited comments
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you call that mean spirited? Sheesh man. Relax. Pointing out some different POV's. Wasn't intended that way for sure though.
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