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Old 02-12-2018, 07:15 PM
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The Omega is indeed dead for a while (and was actually a segment above the Mazda 6, just as a detail), and despite being great to drive for what it was, never really set any enthusiast on fire for it's ratehr dull look and below class average build quality. Badge snobs anyway made a huge circle around it, 10/10 choosing a FWD Audi A6 (back then even with a torsion beam rear axle when not a Quattro) over an omega for being an Audi instead of a Opel/Vauxhall.
This is interesting. Speaking as someone who has lived in Oz back then, the Holden Commodore (basically an Opel / Vauxhall Omega down under) has never been really marketed as a premium car, but was seen as something akin to a Ford Mondeo or Opel / Vauxhall Insigna in Europe / the UK nowadays. A large, reasonably priced, reasonable runabout for the reasonable bloke. Of course you had premium trim levels and (completely nuts) sporty variants, but they were extremely well differentiated. But the base models were never really premium at all.
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:19 PM
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But the base models were never really premium at all.
Not sure which version we got in the US, but it was marketed as an entry-level luxury car as a Cadillac (and failed miserably in sales) and would eventually be replaced by the CTS.
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Old 02-13-2018, 12:04 AM
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Not sure which version we got in the US, but it was marketed as an entry-level luxury car as a Cadillac (and failed miserably in sales) and would eventually be replaced by the CTS.
The Catera was a horrible stumble.
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Old 02-13-2018, 12:28 AM
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Not sure which version we got in the US, but it was marketed as an entry-level luxury car as a Cadillac (and failed miserably in sales) and would eventually be replaced by the CTS.
The US Catera was the equivalent of the ‘MV6’ (Opel) and ‘Elite’ (Vauxhall) Omega. These were top of the European line up.

‘Edition S’, ‘Select’ and ‘GLS’ trim levels were similar to base Commodores in terms of equipment/demographic appeal. ‘CD’ and ‘CDX’ were the links between the base and opulent variants.

The Omega was considered a great car at the time. MUCH better looking than the ford equivalent too!
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Old 02-13-2018, 05:21 AM
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The NHTSA has posted crash result for a 2018 Mazda6 w/ AWD.... Even though no such model has formally been announced. One assumes that an AWD version will be in the US shortly....

The info above + fuel economy:
http://www.motortrend.com/news/2018-...ated-2331-mpg/
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Old 02-13-2018, 08:50 AM
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This is interesting. Speaking as someone who has lived in Oz back then, the Holden Commodore (basically an Opel / Vauxhall Omega down under) has never been really marketed as a premium car, but was seen as something akin to a Ford Mondeo or Opel / Vauxhall Insigna in Europe / the UK nowadays. A large, reasonably priced, reasonable runabout for the reasonable bloke. Of course you had premium trim levels and (completely nuts) sporty variants, but they were extremely well differentiated. But the base models were never really premium at all.
Back then, the European market (and in many ways it still does today) perceived cars strictly by size, so Opel had the Vectra as D segemnet car going against Passat, Mondeo or a Peugeot 406/407; The Omega B was initially targeted against the Audi A6 and 5 series BMW (especially after GM gave up on the senator), realistically Renault Sfarane, Peugeot 605/607 or a Volvo S80, but given the lack of love the General tended to have for vehicles back then, never managed to be seen as an alternative, despite having a more than competitive chassis (the Commodore used a simpler, more rugged setup initially), some good engines and generally good equipment;

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The Catera was a horrible stumble.
All the little shortcomings of the Omega, plus the usual drawbacks of captive imports (not really intended for the US initially) in combination with an ambitious price could not work....

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The Omega was considered a great car at the time. MUCH better looking than the ford equivalent too!
It was a kind of a "clever choice" vehicle - giving you basically E segment for D segment money, especially if you were not a badge snob in that segment (though sales showed there were not many willing to give up on a badge, as did sales of the large French sedans or cars like a Honda legend in Europe).

Given the contemporary Ford Scorpio is usually on every "top 10 ugliest cars of all times", being better looking was itself not a huge achievement; I agree the Omega did look good and very modern initially, but IMO did age quickly. Interestingly it seems that the quirky Scorpio is picking up quicker to become a kind of classic though...
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