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Old 11-01-2017, 06:19 PM
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Except that VAG actually has new products...
You were talking about designers, not the other engineers, that make new products - under the skin.
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Old 11-01-2017, 07:14 PM
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You were talking about designers, not the other engineers, that make new products - under the skin.
This is a pretty pointless debate...I'm not sure why it's ongoing. New products under the skin are great...but they're not going to market unless they also have designers. Clearly VAG has designers...they're just not doing much. FCA apparently has neither, or if they do they can only work on one vehicle at a time given how few and far between they are.
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Old 11-01-2017, 09:47 PM
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they can only work on one vehicle at a time given how few and far between they are.
Multi-tasking...not a strong suit of FCA

So very true!
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Old 11-01-2017, 11:58 PM
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The Wrangler (at least in the U.S.) is a pretty iconic product, IMHO. While I normally blast designers for not drawing up something that looks new, I think it's fine that this looks essentially unchanged. As long as they update the mechanicals underneath, I see no issue w/ keeping the faithful happy.

It's like the Jeep version of a 911.... a G-Wagon (which I imagine will also look very much unchanged when the new one is released).
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Old 11-02-2017, 01:11 AM
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I was hoping they would put a hellcat engine in it and go after the Cayenne spawning an entire new brand called "Wrangler".
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Old 11-02-2017, 02:24 AM
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I was hoping they would put a hellcat engine in it and go after the Cayenne spawning an entire new brand called "Wrangler".
for better or worse, a Wrangler Trailhawk and Grand Wrangler would be awesome.
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:33 AM
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A very nice update, keeping the Wrangler look and feel yet adding a few modern details, something Land Rover should have started doing with the Defender a long time ago.

IMO the remark regarding designers is stupid, yes there are few new FCA products, but apart from the Wrangler (and the Fiat 500), IMO all new FCA products look good, modernd and rather different than the car they replace. I would say that style is even a if not the major selling point of FCA products. VAG (or most German companies for that) just are afraid of changing a working system, and the exchangable designs are overlapping brands, categories, sizes and generations. Everything looks the same there, which, given their financial power and size, is a shame.
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Old 11-02-2017, 10:11 AM
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Anyway, the problem of the Jeep is reliability. What purpose is its off-road capability, if it can't be reliable? The same can be said about the G-Wagon, with exception of the Professional version, which is not sold everywhere.
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Old 11-02-2017, 12:14 PM
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A very nice update, keeping the Wrangler look and feel yet adding a few modern details, something Land Rover should have started doing with the Defender a long time ago.
Concur. Evolutionary look but they've done just enough changes to notice. Good stuff.
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Old 11-06-2017, 07:49 PM
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a lot more pics: https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...mage=AAuqc8R|1
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