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Old 12-03-2015, 06:19 PM
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But mostly, bodies are way less prone to rust in normal climates, plastics and seat covers don't wear as quickly (when I was a kid, our 8 year old Passat Mk.1.5 had perforated corrosion after 8 years, seat covers were torn and most plastics cracked from UV light at the point my parents sold it. And Austria doesn't exactly have extreme cliamtes), nowadays, clean it, don't smoke in your car, and chances are it looks still good, kind of newish after eight years.
I had a '97 Accord until 2013. That interior still looked/felt brand new until the day it got totalled.
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...If it costs less to sell existing models with discounts than it costs to spend on revamping portions of the vehicles every year, then discounts make more sense for the bottom line.
When the Chinese come--and they are about to--what advantage will established manufacturers have?

Price? NOPE!

Quality? We would underestimate the Chinese why?

Innovation? NOPE!

The established brands need to get their momentum on.
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Old 12-04-2015, 04:17 AM
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I think the answer is a simple and utterly boring one,
Resale value is of such importance these days, even amongst non premium manufacturers, that releasing a car that instantly dates and therefor diminishes the value of its predecessor is something avoided unless necessary.
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I think the answer is a simple and utterly boring one,
Resale value is of such importance these days, even amongst non premium manufacturers, that releasing a car that instantly dates and therefor diminishes the value of its predecessor is something avoided unless necessary.
And because of that we have deadly dull and lazy products. I always love people who brag about their car's resale value as if cars are an investment. LOL
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The rationale for boring car designs is quite simply b/c of brand. Manufactures get a look that 'works' and stick with it b/c of a modicum of success (be it real or smoke and mirrors success). This combined w/ cost - and sometimes more meaningful 'under the sheet metal improvements' (for example, the more recent Jetta interiors are vastly better than when first introduced). I'm not justifying their POV; the biggest rewards come w/ the biggest risks. Ford gambled on the Fusion face - it worked. Kia gambled on the Optima face, it worked. Hyundai gambled on the older Sonata face, it worked.
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The Swiz has sold the Fusion for a Mustang....dang missed that.

Yup cars are being kept longer. Parents traded every 45,000. We have three cars between us and 370,000 miles between the three.
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Old 12-05-2015, 05:31 AM
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And because of that we have deadly dull and lazy products. I always love people who brag about their car's resale value as if cars are an investment. LOL
I wholeheartedly agree. It's like saving for a rainy day instead of enjoying the sun
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