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Old 08-26-2017, 04:54 AM
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So Honda commits suicide on the styling of the Accord and then decides to be consumer unfriendly. #RecipeForSuccess.

And by the way Honda isn't #1 in retail sales with the Accord.
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Old 08-26-2017, 12:32 PM
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Then who is? They usually are.
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Old 08-26-2017, 12:43 PM
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Then who is? They usually are.
Obviously, Toyota is more likely to be the top dog...
YTD sales:
Camry: 210,724
Toyota: 1,214,560
Accord: 190,994
Honda: 854,818
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Old 08-26-2017, 01:11 PM
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By retail, i mean consumer point sales not fleet dumping at hertz/enterprise/national,

Ive rented my share of cars in the past few years, and the Altima reigns supreme in it's class along with the Sonata with a smaller amount of Camrys (usually the first to go). Accords are rare and always more expensive to rent.
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By retail, i mean consumer point sales not fleet dumping at hertz/enterprise/national,

Ive rented my share of cars in the past few years, and the Altima reigns supreme in it's class along with the Sonata with a smaller amount of Camrys (usually the first to go). Accords are rare and always more expensive to rent.

To say that Honda is "better" due to a personal belief that Toyota does more fleet sales and therefore "not #1 in sales" is fine for one's own club house, but numbers are numbers.
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So Honda commits suicide on the styling of the Accord and then decides to be consumer unfriendly. #RecipeForSuccess.

And by the way Honda isn't #1 in retail sales with the Accord.
If you think the Accord is styling suicide (it's not) and that it will have a negative effect on its sales, you're sorely misjudging the kind of person who buys them.

The new Camry would be dead in the water by your assessment.
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Old 08-26-2017, 08:08 PM
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...you're sorely misjudging the kind of person who buys them.

The new Camry would be dead in the water by your assessment.
(1) I am acutely aware of who buys Accords and I tend not to associate with people of limited intelligence.

(2) Compared to the ghastly Accord, the new Camry is almost gorgeous...almost.

I predict the Camry will continue to wallop the Accord.
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(1) I am acutely aware of who buys Accords and I tend not to associate with people of limited intelligence.

(2) Compared to the ghastly Accord, the new Camry is almost gorgeous...almost.

I predict the Camry will continue to wallop the Accord.
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PS I am adoring my loaded base 2017 Fusion SE for $24K that is anything but basic. This is my 3rd Fusion (cheap leases) and I truly love it.
Honestly I think the swiz is stuck in a rut. Three cars of the same brand and model? Tradition. Honda's are a bit more adventurous than plain vanilla camry and fusions and clearly aren't a brand we would ever see him in.
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Let me try to explain the Accord's unique position, at least the way I understand it :

-Honda planners sit down and decide how much it will cost to build and how much they will mark it up.-
-Accounting knows they wont go superheavy on discounts (occasional sales) across large quantities for hertz/enterptise/national/etc (lower profits across a larger volume and lower resale value due to flood of used rental cars).
-Engineering cooks up something a bit richer, better appointed, better handling and overall more sellable at a dealership. - Acura suffers as well.
-Dealers sell more cars to actual consumers at higher transaction prices. Higher resale value = higher new car price.
-Competition is making profits selling more cars at lower margins to rental fleets. Those cars were cheaper to build and can be discounted so. General Motors is particularly fond of this.
-Competition also sells cars to consumers, but some dont have the same build quality, steering feel, chassis tuning, and appeal of an Accord (or 6 speed manual options). Those tend to be heavier on incentives, and carry lower transaction prices.


Exceptions :
-Camry is far more reliable and may have picked up some spice.
-Fusion offers AWD and a damn fast Sport model.
-Hyundai/Kia offer just as much if not more gadgets for less money.

Yet the Accord goes to more consumers and holds a higher sales position in its class as it has for decades.

This isnt a personal bias by any means. I hate Integras with a burning vengeance and always get Toyotas or at least the engine. The only Honda I will ever buy is a Supra, Believe Me.
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Old 08-28-2017, 01:28 AM
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Honestly I think the swiz is stuck in a rut. Three cars of the same brand and model?...
NOPE! The best lease deal by far. Cars of this segment are automotive appliances. Having a car that does nothing other than be a car is beneficial to me and I will lease and dump the one that is the best deal without being a quality nightmare, which at the time that kicked the 200, Passat, and Altima off the list.

The next one in line will be a Hyundai Santa Cruz.
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