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Old 04-14-2017, 03:58 AM
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Please make it happen Toyota! This would be the funky alternative to a RAV-4 with proper 4x4 hopefully. I'd love to see these around one day.
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Is Toyota Prepping a Wrangler-Fighting, Body-on-Frame, Off-Road SUV?

Last year, Toyota Motor Corp. President Akio Toyoda laid down an edict: No more boring cars. One year later, and the company has used the North American International Auto Show to drop a tantalizing hint about a very not-boring new product: a small, body-on-frame, off-road-oriented SUV to take on the Jeep Wrangler.

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"There’s room for an authentic small off-road SUV," Lentz said to Motor Trend. "Everyone moved out of that segment because of truck CAFE ratings. But we’re getting a lot of requests from folks who want another FJ or some variant. There is room on the lower end, in terms of price or authenticity, for an off-road, frame-based SUV."

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"This would be for people going outdoors, but truly going offroad. This would not be all-wheel-drive for safety, this would be four-wheel-drive with ground clearance," he said. "The difference is in wheel travel, and you can only do that with frame-based. This could be FJ sized, but for an enthusiast, it’s gotta be something with a small wheelbase to be more maneuverable when in the rocks.”

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There’s market demand for frame-based SUVs, but we have to crunch all the CAFE numbers to see if there’s room for them," he told Motor Trend. "4Runner continues to do well, but the softest segment is for big SUVs."

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Hopefully Toyota listens to real knowledgeable customers, that understand "Land Cruiser", and not those like @swizzle with their pseudo-offroad FWD crossovers or their compensating garbage trucks.
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Hopefully Toyota listens to real knowledgeable customers, that understand "Land Cruiser", and not those like @swizzle with their pseudo-offroad FWD crossovers or their compensating garbage trucks.
Your silly Chihuahua noises notwithstanding. I have many times said here that Toyota should make Land Cruiser a dedicated SUV brand to market through Lexus dealers and really play up the off-road angle.
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Wrangler has been unchallenged in the segment for far too long. Given it's sales figures, you'd think someone would come up with a rival instead of a third or fourth coupe-SUV for the lineup. Beyond the Defender, Toyota would be a good candidate given their loyal following for TRD trucks, or Ford should build an F150 based vehicle and work off of the Raptor name, aka Bronco Raptor.

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Your silly Chihuahua noises notwithstanding. I have many times said here that Toyota should make Land Cruiser a dedicated SUV brand to market through Lexus dealers and really play up the off-road angle.
I must disagree, this isnt GM and Land Cruiser is a lineup in and of itself in other parts of the world (The Lexus LX was a "Cygnus" model while the GX is the Prado) sold through the local Toyota store.

Want to be an industry juggernaut and remain successful while not looking like an idiot? Do opposite GM.
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...Land Cruiser is a lineup in and of itself in other parts of the world...
This proved my point.
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It's value rests under the Toyota name which is highly valuable and respected. GM is worthless rubbish thats why they try to create perceived value with brands.
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It's value rests under the Toyota name which is highly valuable and respected. GM is worthless rubbish thats why they try to create perceived value with brands.
(1) GM and it's management decisions isn't a part of this conversation.

(2) It's nice to know that Land Cruisers are worthless unless they have a Toyota badge on them.

(3) When people refer to these vehicles they call them "Land Cruisers" not "Toyota Land Cruisers" thus in the minds of many, they have in a sense been branded apart from Toyota.

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Old 01-18-2018, 04:14 AM
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Its integral and implicit, the Land Cruiser what put Toyota on many maps, why separate it? That reeks of opportunism and smells like Bob Lutz.

But hey if you want to have a separate Land Cruiser brand, then fine so long as they get their own version of the LFA chassis im in.
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