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Old 01-18-2018, 09:12 AM
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We aren't discussing off-road capabilities is the first issue that you ignore. The second issue you ignore is that the GX and LX are not designed to have the refinement of a premium. They are rough-and-tumble adventure specials masquerading as premiums. The rough-mannered trucks they are come through all too plainly. They simply aren't of the proper caliber to be called premium. The quicker Lexus gets something that has the proper refinement, the better.
Amen. Even if the larger, V8 LandCruisers have some sort of premium character, it's still not what a Lexus should be, especially given that the Lexus is a classic rebadge, which should not happen at that price.
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Old 01-18-2018, 12:38 PM
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Lexus should have regional only vehicles; LX for Russia and Middle East, Lux van for Southeast asia where that sort of thing is super popular, But the LX should be a proper range rover competitor (road manners too) for the west.
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Old 01-18-2018, 04:22 PM
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Lexus should have regional only vehicles; LX for Russia and Middle East, Lux van for Southeast asia where that sort of thing is super popular, But the LX should be a proper range rover competitor (road manners too) for the west.

Not my problem that engineers, especially the so called smart German ones, are incapable of building an all-road (on-and-off-road) car.
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Old 01-18-2018, 04:26 PM
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Not my problem that engineers are incapable of building on-road that is as good off-road.
There are certain conflicts of interest, engineering wise; A car like handling will never be possible with a vehicle that has all the (actually mechanical) differentials, oloickabel, and heavy suspension parts that are required to go off road; Yes, a Range Rover is a pretty good compromise, but on road handling is still nowhere near sporty; And you can go off road in a Porsche Cayenne, but won't get very far . Already tires are a thing, that don't offer both.

So it might not be your problem, but it's physics....
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Old 01-19-2018, 12:35 PM
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There are certain conflicts of interest, engineering wise; A car like handling will never be possible with a vehicle that has all the (actually mechanical) differentials, oloickabel, and heavy suspension parts that are required to go off road; Yes, a Range Rover is a pretty good compromise, but on road handling is still nowhere near sporty; And you can go off road in a Porsche Cayenne, but won't get very far . Already tires are a thing, that don't offer both.

So it might not be your problem, but it's physics....
The problem is not physics, but marketing and profit on stupid consumers. For example, an Audi A6 Allroad, if built from ground up, not just lifted, would be as practical and soft-road capable as an Audi Q7, while being significantly better on road, and even track capable (you mentioned tires). The problem is that the the Q7 is an A6 that looks like a SUV, so it is neither good on- nor off-road. With today's suspension tech and torque vectoring, the only thing that has to be changed for each terrain are tires (until the holy grail of adaptable airless tires).

A SUV that handles great on road is like a woman that is hot because she has a d*ck.
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Old 01-19-2018, 12:36 PM
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A SUV that handles great on road is like a woman that is hot because she has a d*ck.
Bangin' cock in Bangkok?
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Old 01-22-2018, 09:03 AM
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A SUV that handles great on road is like a woman that is hot because she has a d*ck.
There certainly seems to be demand for those...

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Bangin' cock in Bangkok?
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That said, certainly marketing plays a big role (the whole FWD CUV segment has no other justification of existence than marketing, as they actually combine the disadvantages of cars and offroaders), but let#s be honest, the actual demand for proper hard core offroaders in the 1st world is really limited, and well covered by the few offerings on sale; And the Toyota Hilux Double Cab with a gun on it#s bed does a satisfactory job on the not paved roads of too many places in the world....
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(the whole FWD CUV segment has no other justification of existence than marketing, as they actually combine the disadvantages of cars and offroaders)
The *whole* FWD CUV segment? I think cars like the CR-V make a lot of sense, actually. The ones that don't make ANY sense at all to me are the subcompact CUVs (e.g., CX-3).
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Old 01-23-2018, 08:48 AM
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The *whole* FWD CUV segment? I think cars like the CR-V make a lot of sense, actually. The ones that don't make ANY sense at all to me are the subcompact CUVs (e.g., CX-3).
They make sense as a family vehicle, but considering a compact MPV of similar dimensions has plenty more space inside (although the CR-V has near MPV versatility and space), it is still more of an image purchase than a practical one. I don#t say I wouldn't likely choose the CUV over the MPV for styling reasons, but a CUV is never really the most sensible choice.....
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