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Old 01-26-2017, 01:22 AM
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Is it just me, or does it look a lot like an FR-S/BRZ?
What would be great is if they replaced the truly flawed GT86 with this in 2.0T form as a Celica, a 6 cylinder Supra, and a turbo 6 cylinder Supra TRD.
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Old 01-26-2017, 07:11 AM
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What would be great is if they replaced the truly flawed GT86 with this in 2.0T form as a Celica, a 6 cylinder Supra, and a turbo 6 cylinder Supra TRD.
Depends on upscale the new Supra is. I remember the Celica being cheap and cheerful. Have never driven a GT86, but I think it's perhaps almost too serious as a driver's car (and thus flawed, b/c it has a relatively low price) to be a Celica. And I remember the last 2 versions of the Supra being quite upscale.

In terms of a car that's more "sellable," I think a more stylish and less driver focused GT86 might work. Something perhaps splitting the difference btw the GT86 and, say, an Accord coupe. I guess a Civic Si coupe is probably the closest thing we have today.

Is Toyota working on a hybrid turbo for the Supra? That would make the most sense to me as the upper level engine.
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:53 AM
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What would be great is if they replaced the truly flawed GT86 with this in 2.0T form as a Celica, a 6 cylinder Supra, and a turbo 6 cylinder Supra TRD.
I fear that making it together with BMW (and who knows, being solely tested by BMW so far it will probably also be built there) will probably make it too expensive to be a Cellica (at least to cover the - nowadays non existent - market space the Celica used to be in)

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In terms of a car that's more "sellable," I think a more stylish and less driver focused GT86 might work.
I agree. the GT86 is a bit of a "nerd" car. People have to explain how well balanced the chassis is with the low center of gravity, and how the Prius tires help to take it sideways. Looking at it, or sitting in it, it looks a bit messy (the interior, though being made from fairly quality materials, also manages to feel cheap in the end, with all those different shapes and bits), and not so desirable for Mr . average Joe, who will prefer the much more upscale looks of a Golf GTIO and will never take that sideways or on a race track. True, a Miata has similar "low on power yet fun" image, but being a convertible and rather good looking, it also appealed to customers who don't spend their weekends on race tracks with a bunch of Go Pros attached, and probably never herd of the words "JDM" or "car forum".
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Old 01-26-2017, 02:20 PM
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Depends on upscale the new Supra is...

In terms of a car that's more "sellable," I think a more stylish and less driver focused GT86 might work. Something perhaps splitting the difference btw the GT86 and, say, an Accord coupe. I guess a Civic Si coupe is probably the closest thing we have today.

Is Toyota working on a hybrid turbo for the Supra? That would make the most sense to me as the upper level engine.
Toyota isn't an upscale brand. Thus, giving it an upscale sports car like Nissan does with the GTR would be equally stupid. Aiming the Supra at the Mustang GT/Camaro SS price point would make it a success. This isn't a Porsche. This shouldn't carry a Porsche price.
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Old 01-26-2017, 05:07 PM
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Toyota isn't an upscale brand. Thus, giving it an upscale sports car like Nissan does with the GTR would be equally stupid. Aiming the Supra at the Mustang GT/Camaro SS price point would make it a success. This isn't a Porsche. This shouldn't carry a Porsche price.
Porsche interior has quite a number of cheap plastic bits. Actually, unless it is a Porsche Exclusive with everything covered in leather, metal/wood/carbon, the interiors are really just as cheap as anything else. A lot of rattles after 100.000 km too.
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Old 01-27-2017, 03:39 AM
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Porsche interior has quite a number of cheap plastic bits. Actually, unless it is a Porsche Exclusive with everything covered in leather, metal/wood/carbon, the interiors are really just as cheap as anything else. A lot of rattles after 100.000 km too.
Again, I believe this should be $35K nicely equipped with a $45 mid-model and then say a range topper like a GT350 above that. If it has a Porsche price of $75K then it needs to be a Lexus.
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Again, I believe this should be $35K nicely equipped with a $45 mid-model and then say a range topper like a GT350 above that. If it has a Porsche price of $75K then it needs to be a Lexus.
I could imagine that it will be priced close to a Nissan Z car or slightly below where the BMW Z4 has been until it was dropped...
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Old 01-27-2017, 02:25 PM
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I could imagine that it will be priced close to a Nissan Z car or slightly below where the BMW Z4 has been until it was dropped...
Given that the Z is and has been dead for sales for some time partly because it's $10K too expensive for what you get, I'm hoping Toyota isn't as stupid in product placement. The GT86 also failed in sales largely because for what you get, it's easily $5-7K overpriced. Ford and Chevy understand product placement in the sport coupe segment much better than than Japanese brands with the same bargain basement/entry-level brand cache.
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The combines sales of the 86 twins at least matches the fresh and hot miata, and its only one body style with less acceleration performance to boot. The RF will proliferate this year and take more of a lead for sure, but the 86 is far from a failure.


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The combines sales of the 86 twins at least matches the fresh and hot miata....
The "fresh and hot" Miata's sales are truly miniscule. The Miata's sales are more like more like "yawn and dead" than anything. The Miata is also too expensive for what you get in performance. The Miata could easily double its sales and still be a minor footnote.

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