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Old 11-29-2018, 04:25 AM
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This makes zero sense.


Jeep is *absolutely carrying* FCA. Its lterally responsible for more than 90% of FCAs profits as a whole. FCA would be insane to let Jeep go.
Try to use common sense rather than just be combative because you are incapable of understanding something.

FCA desperately needs to marry someone and it needs to happen yesterday. The Italians will spin off and go home. The American brands WILL be sold.
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Old 11-29-2018, 04:26 AM
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There is only one well run American car company. And it ain't Tesla.

Or G&M.
It sure as hell ain't FCA or Ford.
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Old 11-29-2018, 08:26 AM
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Try to use common sense rather than just be combative because you are incapable of understanding something.

FCA desperately needs to marry someone and it needs to happen yesterday. The Italians will spin off and go home. The American brands WILL be sold.
That doesn't make any sense, and you're the one whose historically combative.


Why would "The Italians go home?" FCA is looking for a partner (sort of) to split manufacturing costs of the car-side of their lineup, namely the Fiat side. The whole Fiat and Alfa side doesn't pull in anywhere near the revenue that Jeep does.



Heck, even in 2016, Fiat only made like 80M Euro.


Whereas Jeep made 4B Euro.


FCA would be literally insane to sell off Jeep, Ram, or even Dodge. They are literally bankrolling the entire company right now. They are responsible for 92-93% of FCA's profits.


If anything would be "spun off" or at least shrunk itself, it would be Fiat. Fiat has a decent presence in Latin America, but they literally lose money in that market.


FCA selling off their American brands would be a literal death sentence.
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FCA needs someone to partner with to provide life to Dodge and Chrysler. There are lots of companies that could do that. There are also lots of companies that need Ram / Jeep products. I don't see a spin off happening as much as I do a merger / strategic partnership.

With GM mothballing their sedans - and strong representation in CUV's, SUV's and trucks - I don't see / understand the value in that partnership. Sure, everyone would like the Jeep brand - but beyond that...nothing.
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Old 11-29-2018, 02:17 PM
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Again, your lack of vision is just a lack of vision on your part.
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Again, your lack of vision is just a lack of vision on your part.
It's not a lack of vision. It's a use of common sense. Or at a minimum, understanding the difference between a NEED and a want.

Why would GM introduce Dodge as a new Pontiac? They had one. It went away. There are MUCH better products in the GM portfolio to leverage for a Pontiac revival than Dodge (and GM for the most part - just killed them all).

EVERYONE would like the Jeep brand; GM doesn't need it - but sure, it'd be nice. Just like nobody NEEDS the brand Jeep - but it's certainly an enviable name plate.

You buy something to satisfy a need. GM doesn't need cars, and they don't need trucks. Buying Jeep would be like going from a 55" TV to a 65" 4K TV - not needed, but, sure. Nice.

Hyundai / Kia? They NEED Ram. They would invest in Dodge / Chrysler (which is something those two brands NEED).
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It's not a lack of vision. It's a use of common sense. Or at a minimum, understanding the difference between a NEED and a want.

Why would GM introduce Dodge as a new Pontiac? They had one. It went away. There are MUCH better products in the GM portfolio to leverage for a Pontiac revival than Dodge (and GM for the most part - just killed them all).

EVERYONE would like the Jeep brand; GM doesn't need it - but sure, it'd be nice. Just like nobody NEEDS the brand Jeep - but it's certainly an enviable name plate.

You buy something to satisfy a need. GM doesn't need cars, and they don't need trucks. Buying Jeep would be like going from a 55" TV to a 65" 4K TV - not needed, but, sure. Nice.

Hyundai / Kia? They NEED Ram. They would invest in Dodge / Chrysler (which is something those two brands NEED).
Many analysts have said that Pontiac would be a better seller than Buick in the current market and Dodge is very much in the spirit of what Pontiac used to be.

Buick is beginning the stutter in the American market and between it and Cadillac, Cadillac is the one to keep despite Cadillac's lower volume.

GM most decidedly DOES need Jeep to co-brand with Cadillac as their premium offerings.

Hyundai/Kia most decidedly needs Jeep and Ram and as for Dodge, the Challenger and Charger sell surprisingly well that the Genesis platform could be easily amortized.
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But WHY would FCA sell Jeep in the first place? Or Dodge?


That literally would be ending their funding for the rest of FCA!
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Many analysts have said that Pontiac would be a better seller than Buick in the current market and Dodge is very much in the spirit of what Pontiac used to be.

Buick is beginning the stutter in the American market and between it and Cadillac, Cadillac is the one to keep despite Cadillac's lower volume.

GM most decidedly DOES need Jeep to co-brand with Cadillac as their premium offerings.

Hyundai/Kia most decidedly needs Jeep and Ram and as for Dodge, the Challenger and Charger sell surprisingly well that the Genesis platform could be easily amortized.
I see you've taken to calling yourself 'Most analysts' now. I've not seen a single article of that. I could be wrong though.

Pontiac sold well in North America (largely because of the $$'s on the hood). Buick sells REALLY well in China - which is the sole reason GM kept that brand.
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I see you've taken to calling yourself 'Most analysts' now. I've not seen a single article of that. I could be wrong though.

Pontiac sold well in North America (largely because of the $$'s on the hood). Buick sells REALLY well in China - which is the sole reason GM kept that brand.
You are wrong. I see that just because you cannot admit that what I am saying makes sense to you after all that all you can do is attack. There is this thing called Google. Use it to find things to read. Among those things are articles that suggest that killing Buick and keeping Pontiac would have been the better move. Your aversion to reading does not make your reasoning right.
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