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Old 01-22-2018, 10:52 PM
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Default 2020 Jaguar XJ

The next flagship saloon might go fully electric:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...ctric-flagship
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Old 01-22-2018, 11:45 PM
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The next flagship saloon might go fully electric:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...ctric-flagship
makes perfect sense given this is likely the only full size sedan segment experiencing growth still. It's not like they're risking a ton of sales if this is a flop... not giving it a bespoke EV platform is a mistake though, as you won't get all of the packaging benefits of an EV. Clearly form (and cost) following function.
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Old 01-23-2018, 08:45 AM
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Comparing sales figures of the current XJ to the Tesla S, it makes a lot off sense....
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Old 01-23-2018, 02:00 PM
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Are they going to fire Callum and hire someone who has some artistic vision. The current XJ failed because of its enormous hatchback look with graceless detailing like the black plastic pretending to be glass. Two facts remain: (1) the Forduar XJ sold better hands down and (2) the Bertone B99 still looks amazing. Callum is to Jaguar what Bangle was to BMW.
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Old 01-23-2018, 07:42 PM
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Fully electric? Might work, Teslas are selling well, perhaps Jaguar feels they can do the same.

That render is horrible though.
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This all-electric next-generation Jaguar XJ could be an interesting new twist on the segment, and even be exciting. It could have transferable tech from the soon-to-debut I-Pace crossover. It will also remain the flagship, and even above the upcoming, larger J-Pace crossover, which will be more conventional, and is in the works as cladded test-mules have been spotted.

Also reported is sister-division Land-Rover is developing a "Road Rover" line (which could be named different, or be part of the Range Rover line, that would be be something of a blend of a sedan and SUV, and be based on the same chassis as the new XJ. It's reported that the new platform is flexible where it can support an ICE, but the XJ should be all-electric.

This is exciting, but the only thing that I'm hoping it that the next XJ is not downsized as a result, that would disappoint. It's reported to be sleek, coupe-like, and a fastback with a rear-hatch, but I hope that it remains large and stately, for it is the flagship. I'm sure that more reports will surface, and likely, test-mules and teaser-renderings, in the meantime, both the XJ, and the Road Rover.
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Old 01-24-2018, 02:40 AM
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Mercedes will simply do an "S Class" EV something and Jaguar will be back to sucking wind as they are now. I predict that once Porsche, Mercedes, Audi, and BMW get in the EV game, Tesla will be screwed.
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I predict that once Porsche, Mercedes, Audi, and BMW get in the EV game, Tesla will be screwed.
Well, given the resources, it would seem logical, but: Tesla was the first who made an impact with an EV, and the first EV to drop the "nerd vehicle" image, and that image point will always be there. Just like the iPhone, it will always be the default choice for not so few customers, whether if there are better options or not.

On the other hand, by teh time the Germans will finally have proper, lareg EVs with actual range and power in production, Tesla will have an at least 10 year head start, and that is never to under estimate;

I always heard how the Prius will be screwed once other companies - especially German ones - start making Hybrids, but somehow it still is - by quite a stretch - the best selling Hybrid, and kind of THE default Hybrid on a global scale, despite other Hybrids on sale. Also, it seems depsite great claims, most other Hybrids ended up either way more expensive, or not that great in real life, or, in most cases, both.

Yes, building an EV is less complex that synchronizing two engines, but still, playing catching up is one thing, "screwing" the first kid is another story. Yes, there is a lot of hype around Tesla, and a lot of show, but so far still they have no real competitor in being an EV, but rather their EVs are more and more seen as an actual competitor to regular petrol powered cars....
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Old 01-24-2018, 12:52 PM
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Mercedes will simply do an "S Class" EV something and Jaguar will be back to sucking wind as they are now. I predict that once Porsche, Mercedes, Audi, and BMW get in the EV game, Tesla will be screwed.

Once that they get in the EV game.....Why did they not start the EV game. Without Tesla they would continue showing BEV concept car and saying how they be on sale in 5 years for the next 50 years. You know like Hydrogen FCV, in 5 years since 1990....
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Once that they get in the EV game.....Why did they not start the EV game. Without Tesla they would continue showing BEV concept car and saying how they be on sale in 5 years for the next 50 years. You know like Hydrogen FCV, in 5 years since 1990....
That's 100% BS. But you embrace illogical thinking so there is that. The Germans know what they are doing and they do it shrewdly.

1. EV technology still is not a 100% viable alternative to ICE.

2. The EV market is still TINY.

3. Letting someone else be the trailblazer is a brilliant strategy. It allows you to see public reaction and to learn vicariously from their mistakes.

4. Hydrogen is not a viable technology and it does not have sufficient infrastructure.

5. Tesla is NOT a game changer. Tesla is hype, BS, and emperor's new clothes.

That said, when the real premium manufacturers do quality EVs, you are perfectly free to continue buying a Tesla.
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