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Old 02-24-2018, 02:39 PM
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Not in the places that some people here "get out" to ;).
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Not in the places that some people here "get out" to ;).
Granted, the Continental isn't "Camry" common, but I have seen them around.
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Raj Nair looks like a Rakatan from Knights of the old Republic
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Fair enough...but the only way for that brand to go was up...yes, changing to 'regular' names was good. And Continental has done ok. But the trick is sustaining that.

I'll be curious to see the direction he takes the brand for sure.
Sustaining forward progress is key. Ford's once consistent habit is bringing a design to market that is really good, then letting it languish unimproved until OMG its so out of date that its embarrassing to be seen in.
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Sustaining forward progress is key. Ford's once consistent habit is bringing a design to market that is really good, then letting it languish unimproved until OMG its so out of date that its embarrassing to be seen in.
THAT!

Nailed it.

The Foxstang and the Crown Vic were horribly outdated. The Expedition was ancient under the skin.

The cancelling of the Fusion is a head scratcher instead of doubling down and introducing a new one that perhaps is hybrid standard, PHEV in the SE form, and EV in the platinum form. They should having imagined it being a sensation in its segment as the Tesla S was when it arrived.

Where are the Escape ST and the Escape RS?
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Sustaining forward progress is key. Ford's once consistent habit is bringing a design to market that is really good, then letting it languish unimproved until OMG its so out of date that its embarrassing to be seen in.
Agreed.

I'll also add that they introduce a product concept - then take 2 years (sometimes longer!) to launch it (I'm looking at you Bronco, Atlas, etc).

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THAT!

Nailed it.

The Foxstang and the Crown Vic were horribly outdated. The Expedition was ancient under the skin.

The cancelling of the Fusion is a head scratcher instead of doubling down and introducing a new one that perhaps is hybrid standard, PHEV in the SE form, and EV in the platinum form. They should having imagined it being a sensation in its segment as the Tesla S was when it arrived.

Where are the Escape ST and the Escape RS?
Agreed on the Fusion. It's beyond silly. That frame has been the basis of so many of their products. And - despite CUV's being the flavor of the month, sedans STILL SELL A LOT! Some people (gasp - myself included) prefer a sedan.... I also love the idea of a Platinum Fusion being pure EV.

I guess that's what happens when you put an office furniture (ie - glorified bean counter) in charge. I've yet to see 'vision' from this guy.
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lotsa ford hate here but where is hyundai's competition to the 5.0 Mustang, Ford GT, SVT Raptor, GT 350 ?
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Not sure about the hate...I actually think Ford has some stellar products. Problem is most of those products were introduced under different leadership; and subsequently - the product flow has been 'meh' for inspiration, innovation and looks.

The Fusion was groundbreaking for Ford (the MMC / current gen)...The Edge was the first 'true' north american CUV, etc. etc. etc.

My biggest concern (and I hope I'm proven wrong) is that the current leadership seems more bean counter and less visionary. Sorry - but a office furniture manager is NOT going to have the same vision as someone who ran Boeing. And we're seeing that...where is the mission for Ford? Where is the drop dead gorgeous 'every person' vehicle for mass market? Is he able to envision what would happen for Ford Fusion sales (and subsequently Edge, Explorer, Escape, etc) sales if the weight reduction program started by Mulally (where they got a Fusion weight down to a Focus), powered by a Civic/Accord 1.5T (hell, even the current Fusion turbo) with a new Ford Face? It's an EASY 275,000 units....and yes, I know, consumers are moving to CUV's - but sedans have life left in them...Camry is the PRIME example.

Another Mulally trait that I appreciated (from a MKT stand point) was his immediate focus on changing Ford QC perceptions... it was press release after press release citing Ford improvements (and of course - he worked to ensure the PR was backed up by reality)...haven't seen many (if any) of that nature in the last 5-ish years....

So, I don't think it's hate (at least not from me)...it's concern that a brand that turned itself around is falling into the trap that caused the need for a turn around in the first place.

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lotsa ford hate here but where is hyundai's competition to the 5.0 Mustang, Ford GT, SVT Raptor, GT 350 ?
The #1 stumble of the Genesis coupe was not putting the V8 into it and marketing it as a Korean pony car (no Hyundai pun intended).

Hyundai should buy Jeep and Ram so that quality can improve.
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