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Old 03-20-2018, 01:40 AM
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Which was basically the size of a lifted Golf.
From the Euro perspective they are different size vehicles, although the difference isn't big -15cm in total length and one suitcase more of trunk space. But no matter if we classify them as one size or not , T-roc is just a lifted Golf with focus on styling, while Ateca/Karoq is traditional SUV(more practical).

For markets that don't have Seat/Skoda this rebadge can make a lot of sense.
Basically every new SUV is more or less successful and I really can't think of any new one that could be de described as a total sales flop.
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Old 03-20-2018, 04:13 AM
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...I really can't think of any new one that could be de described as a total sales flop.
Atlas...it's selling 1/5 to 1/4 the volume it needed to hit to be significant in the market. It's current sales rate--if annualized--is no better than the Passat did last year and that model is in a sales death spiral. Very similar volume, but the Passat is "dead" and the Atlas is a "stunning success".
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Old 03-20-2018, 08:31 AM
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Whilst there are minor size differences, most people will still see a T-Toc, an Ateca (which this is with a different grille) or a SWB Tiguan as a lifted Golf, and when we look beside PR bull****, they are very close altogether (and under the metal identical anyway). They are all more or less same width, same height within a few cm and 4,2 - 4,3 - 4,4m in length, which results in probably one suitcase more in the trunk. Visually, only the T-Roc looks a bit fresher, joining the dual tone paint trend and a less boxy/upright appearance. None of them has a truly upright SUV driving position, all feel still more "lifted car"

Granted, the Tiguan gets no torsion beam rear axle on the base spec and has always 4 cylinders (for now at least), but even then, most dealer offers for the typical mid spec car are very close in price too; Ultimately, choice is mostly up for taste, but to argue with actual technical differences, I don't see them worthy enough to be the ultimate decision maker.
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Old 03-23-2018, 05:32 PM
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Couldn't find a thread for this one. Appears to be what the US is getting instead of the T-Roc, to be revealed in China later this year.

https://www.motor1.com/news/236374/v...es-suv-teaser/

Hard to tell for sure, but I'd bet this is essentially a re-nosed Seat Ateca/Skoda Karoq. The doors appear to be the same on all 3, and the size would be about right since it's about 10in. shorter than the Tiguan Allspace.
Right on the money, seems to be a re-nosed karoq/ateca

https://www.motor1.com/photo/2957295...ul-family-suv/
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Old 03-26-2018, 07:26 AM
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Right on the money, seems to be a re-nosed karoq/ateca

https://www.motor1.com/photo/2957295...ul-family-suv/
Indeed. But unlike the Karoq, they didn't even go as far as reskin the basic Ateca, this just has a VW grille. However, given how similar VW; Seat and SKoda's design language is, it doesn't make much of a difference. Looks as VW as it does Seat or Skoda....
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Old 05-18-2018, 07:35 AM
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https://www.carscoops.com/2018/05/ne...as-face-china/

More pics in various trim of the Volkswagen "Ateca", calles now Tharu in CHina, and yet to be known what it will be in the US;





So now you will be able - though likely not all 3 in the same market - to buy the initial Seat Ateca with both a Skoda and Volkswagen face as well. Just like the up! triplets, or, funny enough, the large luxury SUV Audi Q7 (though there it's Bentley, Audi, VW and Porsche versions...)
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Old 05-18-2018, 01:03 PM
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Looks like a SWB Tiguan. I like Tarek better than Tharu, but this is VW, so idiocy in naming is the norm.
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I like it. The segment needed a contemporary, clean and conservative design and this fills the slot nicely. I would have rather them bring the SWB Tiguan instead however.
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Old 05-18-2018, 04:47 PM
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Looks like a SWB Tiguan.
Yeah, I don't really see the difference, either.

At any rate, VW desperately needs a model in the subcompact CUV range, so this should do well. It looks modern but inoffensive.
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Old 05-18-2018, 11:19 PM
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It needs something much more stylish than this. This is too dull for words.
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