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Old 03-10-2018, 09:08 PM
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So VW announced that they are discontinuing the Beetle. It's not going out of production right away, but it's not going to be further developed beyond it's current state before it dies.
Does this mean that the Beetle is now to be considered a Legacy car here even though it's still in production?
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Old 03-10-2018, 09:57 PM
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With the factory still running but development halted, that is an interesting exception.
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Old 03-10-2018, 10:16 PM
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With the factory still running but development halted, that is an interesting exception.
So in your opinion, does Legacy mean discontinued and no longer in production?
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Old 03-10-2018, 10:24 PM
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So in your opinion, does Legacy mean discontinued and no longer in production?
I know I'm not Naga Royal Guard, but I'd probably say it's a legacy car one production has stopped.
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Old 03-10-2018, 10:27 PM
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I know I'm not Naga Royal Guard, but I'd probably say it's a legacy car one production has stopped.
That was my understanding as well. Thanks for the input!
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Old 03-12-2018, 08:45 AM
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German magazines announced last weekend that production has already, mostly stooped, and the last versions top be built will be this summer; i guess this makes it borderline, but ultimately legit legacy thread, given the death is official...

Also, like the CR-Z, it was a huge missed opportunity
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Old 03-12-2018, 01:19 PM
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The current new "New" Beetle (sic) was a stupid design. Instead of being VW's hybrid for the masses, it was even more of a joke than the New Beetle. Killing it is a mercy.
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Old 03-12-2018, 08:13 PM
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Also, like the CR-Z, it was a huge missed opportunity
Curious, what ideas did you have in mind?

I have yet to drive one, but the current Beetle generation seems to have lost the quirkiness that made the first New Beetle popular. It hasn't sold nearly as well either. Even Consumer Reports [don't get triggered] concluded it was a step back from the previous gen and went down in it's ratings to the point that it was not recommended.

The current Beetle somehow lacks... something, I dunno, passion? Excitement? I want to eventually drive and compare both New Beetle generations to find out.
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Old 03-13-2018, 12:03 AM
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This gen Beetle looked great when it came out. I still think it does. It lost the femininity of the New Beetle.

VW dropped the ball by completely ignoring it and not updating it at all over its lifespan.

If they were smart they would pair a new new Beetle with the new Bus as an EV pair. I guess the Golf is filling that spot, but it doesn't have the retro cache that the Beetle does (no it won't sell as well, but I think the Beetle has a lot more potential to be a brand halo car).
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:58 AM
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Curious, what ideas did you have in mind?

I have yet to drive one, but the current Beetle generation seems to have lost the quirkiness that made the first New Beetle popular. It hasn't sold nearly as well either. Even Consumer Reports [don't get triggered] concluded it was a step back from the previous gen and went down in it's ratings to the point that it was not recommended.

The current Beetle somehow lacks... something, I dunno, passion? Excitement? I want to eventually drive and compare both New Beetle generations to find out.
Well,I kind of meant that part of the quirkiness was lost (people buying a retro beetle are not looking for a Golf - if they were, it was parked next door in the showroom), it just drives like a Mk. VI Golf, albeit with a much less well built interior. In many ways, the flower vase that became somehow iconic in the first New Beetle getting dropped for this version says it all. It lacks love and passion (something that makes the Mini and Fiat 500 so successful), but that's kind of my problem with many VAG products nowadays (IMO both the Golf GTI since the Mk. V and the Golf R since dropping the VR6 got less and less interesting with every modification).

The Beetle would have either required some stand alone drive train - hell why not make it the first VW hybrid instead of the dreary Jetta, or an EV version, instead of the Golf - or like the Fiat 500, celebrate the quirky, cute and kind of left field image of the original Beetle with many special editions (the Mini with it's Cooper heritage could go all racing sport etc., but the Beetle has zero sport credentials). however, I had the impression the bean counters never put any money at VW to cars that target the customer's heart instead of pure sales volume, whilst as a business decision it is naturally ok, it just shows why other brands are more seen as passionate, interesting, etc.

Finally, the biggest missed opportunity of the Beetle for me is that it was actually Volkswagen, who kicked of the whole retro trend with the 1994 New Beetle concept, that became, with not that many changes - yes, it was possible, would not happen nowadays - the production Beetle for 1998. Without it and the huge loving reaction of the public (to the concept), certainly BMW would not have funded the development of the retro New Mini that became such a success, Fiat would have never developed the new 500 and be long gone since the mid 2000s - likely together with Alfa Romeo (granted, it would have saved us also form the PT Cruiser, Thunderbird and Chevy HHR), and yet somehow VW managed to clearly make the least out of it. I guess this is one of the reasons why they don't want to be the first at any other trend anymore...

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