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Old 04-26-2018, 11:03 AM
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yeah it's sad but not surprising. the only way to keep sedan sales moving would've been a mustang based 4 door coupe or else a cheap Tesla model S competitor. you'd think that combining the Taurus and Fusion into one model would at least mean enough combined sales to save one of them.
Yep, and you took the Mustang 4 door right out of my mind.

Without Ford what will Lincoln use for a starting point of all of it's cars? Or are they headed down the same road? Or the road once followed, lining up against Japan and Germany's finest with a car built upon a 30 year old pos?
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Old 04-26-2018, 11:07 AM
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Bold move, like Apple removing 3.5 Jack from iPhone. All others followed. I expect more brand to make the same move. But what are MPVs? cars (sedans, wagons, hatches) or CUVs/SUVs?



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Whilst I think Ford has way better CUVs, didn't Mitusbishi radically fail with a similar approach? After all, whilst CUVs/SUVs are a gaining market, the actual larger number sold are still cars likely, and given the One Ford strategy they could still use the European or Chinese cars, better than not selling any....
Mitsubishi failed because of the cars themselves, not the strategy to have only CUVs/SUVs.
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Old 04-26-2018, 11:11 AM
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Bold move, like Apple removing 3.5 Jack from iPhone.
Not rly, because you could still get a lightening to 3.5 adapter and many ppl use bluetooth anyway.
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Old 04-26-2018, 11:57 AM
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By the way, there goes the RWD Ford sedan.
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Old 04-26-2018, 12:05 PM
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Without Ford what will Lincoln use for a starting point of all of it's cars?
CD6, unless Lincoln pivots in the same direction.
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CD6, unless Lincoln pivots in the same direction.
The MKZ is obviously dead when the Fusion dies. The Continental has been widely reported as being dead as dead can be.
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The MKZ is obviously dead when the Fusion dies. The Continental has been widely reported as being dead as dead can be.
Unfortunately it makes sense - even the Germans sell more crossovers than sedans in the U.S. - making Lincoln a CUV/SUV product line with hybrid/PIH and maybe EV (if they share the Mach 1 chassis) models makes sense in the current environment
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Old 04-26-2018, 07:36 PM
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the actual larger number sold are still cars likely
Can't comment on the ROW (rest of the world), but the C&D article quote a Ford exec as saying that 86% (!!!) of their US volume is from trucks and SUVs. Don't forget that, in the U.S., the 3 best selling "cars" have been trucks for a very long time.

The same exec vaguely mentioned that Ford might introduce some other type of car to entice buyers who don't want a truck or SUV.

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I love it so far.
Good to hear. I'm thinking of one w/ the Autobahn package (unless they end up decoupling the adaptive suspension in the future), but those are pricey. But I'm also getting to the age where I want to be able to dial in better ride comfort on the interstate.... ::sigh::
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This was hinted upon, and a bold move by Ford, as the trucks, crossovers, and SUVs are selling hot, and the cars/sedans are mediocre in sales. Of course, the Mustang stays for it's a niche, and great for the image of the brand, and just one car, the next-generation Focus Active, which is like a Subaru Impreza GX.

At least at Ford, the new Explorer will be based on a rear-wheel-drive bias platform, as step in the right direction, and a Bronco to be slotted below it. Now, if you go back in the day, it was mainly the LTD/Torino/Falcon (later Maverick) and Pinto, but now it appears to be the F-150 and SD crew-cabs and Expeditions taking over the full-sized cars, the Explorer taking the intermediate's position, the Edge falls between the mid-sized and the compact, the Bronco/Ranger going for the Falcon/Maverick/Granada's positions, and the Escape for the Pinto/Escort's slot. Way back when, the Ford pickups were not consumer-focused, but more for tradesman, contractors and farmers.

I've also seen a report (which I'll look for), that states that the Lincoln sedans are safe, both the MKZ and the Continental. Then again, Lincoln will soon have four SUVs, the MKC, Nautilus, Aviator and Navigator.
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...I've also seen a report (which I'll look for), that states that the Lincoln sedans are safe, both the MKZ and the Continental. Then again, Lincoln will soon have four SUVs, the MKC, Nautilus, Aviator and Navigator.
That would be interesting given that neither has healthy sales. Lincoln probably needs one sedan and for that I'd kill the MKZ and move the Continental into that price segment. Letting it be a lot of luxury for an "attainable" price.

I'd also do an LWB Aviator with differentiated styling and an upscale rear compartment and call it the Town Car to slot between the Aviator and the Navigator.

When the MKC is moved to the new Escape platform, I think it's safe to assume it will get a name. Mountaineer? Or will that be the Lincoln Bronco?
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