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Old 03-19-2016, 08:14 AM
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Some more photos, it is growing on me a lot more, but the pricing is not, 72K USD start in the US, apparently 13K more than a porsche cayenne?

http://www.motor1.com/news/61714/mas...ed-from-72-000

http://en.wheelsage.org/maserati/lev...9513/pictures/
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Yeah but the 3 million options on Porsches its almost too easy to get it to 72K
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Some more photos, it is growing on me a lot more, but the pricing is not, 72K USD start in the US, apparently 13K more than a porsche cayenne?
The Levante will come standard with leather ($4,000 on the Porsche), power tailgate (N/A), keyless start ($890), privacy glass ($1,120), memory seats ($390), and a few other do-dads. So now it's suddenly about $5,000 difference in price, which is a lot more reasonable.
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Old 03-21-2016, 09:59 PM
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The Levante will come standard with leather ($4,000 on the Porsche), power tailgate (N/A), keyless start ($890), privacy glass ($1,120), memory seats ($390), and a few other do-dads. So now it's suddenly about $5,000 difference in price, which is a lot more reasonable.
Given that this is largely yet another evolution of the Chrysler 300 chassis--and that everyone knows it--this should have been $13K LESS than the Cayenne comparably equipped to buy sales.

While Maserati should play up the imagined panache of the brand, it should behave like Lexus in Lexus' first decade (i.e. under-price, over-deliver, and make the customers happy).

Just as the Ghibli has been a mediocre seller partly due to its price premium relative to its German competition, this too is likely to underwhelm for sales for the same reason.
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Old 03-21-2016, 10:05 PM
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Given that this is largely yet another evolution of the Chrysler 300 chassis--and that everyone knows it--this should have been $13K LESS than the Cayenne comparably equipped to buy sales.
Err, no. The Levante uses the same platform that underpins the two sedans, and which is unrelated to anything else FCA makes--that's why it uses the Q4 AWD system, which only works on that platform.

The Ghibli's poor sales are because luxury sedan sales are faltering across the board, and the only reason the Germans keep momentum is because the guy leasing a 5-series now is probably going to lease another one when the term is up. There are very few new buyers to the category, and the buyers already there are very loyal.
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Old 03-21-2016, 10:31 PM
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Err, no. The Levante uses the same platform that underpins the two sedans, and which is unrelated to anything else FCA makes--that's why it uses the Q4 AWD system, which only works on that platform.

The Ghibli's poor sales are because luxury sedan sales are faltering across the board, and the only reason the Germans keep momentum is because the guy leasing a 5-series now is probably going to lease another one when the term is up. There are very few new buyers to the category, and the buyers already there are very loyal.
He's implying by extension that the Quattroporte and Ghibli are also underpinned by the Chrysler LX platform, which would make about as much sense as Ford resurrecting the old D186 platform for a new Taurus.

There's a difference between the Maserati platform sharing some components with the LX platform and being based on it. As far as I'm aware, the Ghibli/Quattroporte/Levante platform is around 90% bespoke, including the majority of the floorpan, and all of the suspension architecture. What is borrowed from the LX is about as consequential as what the CUSW platform shares with the Fiat Bravo - very, very little.

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The Ghibli is a Chrysler 300 platform with a revised front suspension. THAT is common knowledge. If you want to suck Sergio's Kool Aid through a sippy straw be my guest.
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The Ghibli is a Chrysler 300 platform with a revised front suspension. THAT is common knowledge. If you want to suck Sergio's Kool Aid through a sippy straw be my guest.
your knowledge of this is as "common" as ...cough.. bull...
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Old 03-22-2016, 04:51 AM
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He's implying by extension that the Quattroporte and Ghibli are also underpinned by the Chrysler LX platform, which would make about as much sense as Ford resurrecting the old D186 platform for a new Taurus.

There's a difference between the Maserati platform sharing some components with the LX platform and being based on it. As far as I'm aware, the Ghibli/Quattroporte/Levante platform is around 90% bespoke, including the majority of the floorpan, and all of the suspension architecture. What is borrowed from the LX is about as consequential as what the CUSW platform shares with the Fiat Bravo - very, very little.
Ah, OK--yes, that makes absolute sense.

IIRC, one of the big criticisms at the time of the Quattrporte's launch was that the platform was bespoke, and it made so little sense financially for Maserati with its small volumes to actually have a platform not shared with at least Alfa Romeo.
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Old 03-23-2016, 05:03 PM
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The Ghibli is a Chrysler 300 platform with a revised front suspension. THAT is common knowledge. If you want to suck Sergio's Kool Aid through a sippy straw be my guest.
It's also "common knowledge" that chewing gum gets stuck in your intestines for seven years if you swallow it.
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