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Old 03-24-2018, 12:25 AM
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Interior looks great. Audis new interface in the 6,7,8 looks old now.
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Old 03-27-2018, 02:59 AM
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The 4.0 liter V8 diesel engine variant should serve as a superb alternative for those that cannot afford the Audi SQ7.
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Old 03-27-2018, 07:28 AM
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The 4.0 liter V8 diesel engine variant should serve as a superb alternative for those that cannot afford the Audi SQ7.
Or those who want to be banned from European cities in 3 years or so. Justified or not, but I wouldn't buy a Diesel unless I seriously have to anymore in Europe right now.
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Old 03-27-2018, 11:01 AM
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Or those who want to be banned from European cities in 3 years or so. Justified or not, but I wouldn't buy a Diesel unless I seriously have to anymore in Europe right now.
You are right. Diesel only makes sense for an old mechanical not EFI, bug-out survival truck, if that is your thing/plan.

With turbocharged gasoline engines, making more power than diesel, but still enough torque at low rpm, and diesel having a lot more emission stuff, it makes no more sense.

Audi's electric turbo/supercharger would be more interesting in the gasoline V8.
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Old 03-27-2018, 01:19 PM
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Personally I think this is a backward step compared to its predecessor. The face is somewhat interesting but the rest of the design is underwhelming and finished off with an awkward side creaseline that VW seems intent on inflicting on all their vehicles. Let's hope this design crap doesn't continue with the next Golf.
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Old 03-29-2018, 09:28 PM
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Or those who want to be banned from European cities in 3 years or so. Justified or not, but I wouldn't buy a Diesel unless I seriously have to anymore in Europe right now.
You can always lease one and it's not your problem anymore...

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You are right. Diesel only makes sense for an old mechanical not EFI, bug-out survival truck, if that is your thing/plan.

With turbocharged gasoline engines, making more power than diesel, but still enough torque at low rpm, and diesel having a lot more emission stuff, it makes no more sense.
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When doing lot of fast kms on unrestricted Autobahn diesel still makes a lot of sense financially (with Euro gas prices).
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Old 03-30-2018, 07:44 AM
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When doing lot of fast kms on unrestricted Autobahn diesel still makes a lot of sense financially (with Euro gas prices).
Which says it makes sense for a very specific kind of client in one market world wide (that still has some unrestricted Autobahn KM left) And that says he doesn't like the ICE train service in Germany or flying (both quicker and cheaper).

Everyone else (in a passenger car, not commercial vehicle or proper Off roader in the Outback or comparable regions) doesn't need a Diesel unless he likes to believe German car magazines who still want to claim it's the future, because it's the card that the German car industry put all it's money on a few years ago and doesn't want to admit failure yet....
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Old 03-30-2018, 12:23 PM
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Which says it makes sense for a very specific kind of client in one market world wide (that still has some unrestricted Autobahn KM left) And that says he doesn't like the ICE train service in Germany or flying (both quicker and cheaper).

Everyone else (in a passenger car, not commercial vehicle or proper Off roader in the Outback or comparable regions) doesn't need a Diesel unless he likes to believe German car magazines who still want to claim it's the future, because it's the card that the German car industry put all it's money on a few years ago and doesn't want to admit failure yet....
It simply depends on your driving habits.
You seem to forget that large part of this market is business, that needs to reach many locations during one day and at times that it's difficult to make it using public transportation. Plus very often more luggage is needed than just one suitcase. For that market a car will be a first choice.

In practice when going really fast diesel powered vehicles are much more economical then their gasoline counterparts, lot more than manufacturers data claim. At 200km/h the difference is huge, but it's also noticeable at lower speeds. Obviously there aren't many unrestricted Autobahns left but in Europe there's a lot of places that people usually drive over the generally allowed 130 km/h limit.
Check your Austrian A1, where lot of cars are doing 160km/h.
Another thing is that you don't have to refuel that often.

So for larger cars that cover long distances there's still a market, as people aren't willing to switch to cars that are using let's say 12-15l from the ones that have 7-9L consumption, when their yearly mileage is high. Just lease instead of buying in case there are some crazy driving restrictions coming.

In the next few years diesel market share will decline significantly, but it won't disappear completely as some are predicting. It's the French who should worry the most, as they heavily invested in small diesels, and for city driving it doesn't make sense anymore.

Btw. I drive gasoline, cause I don't cover long stretches of Autobahn often, but if I did I would seriously consider diesel simply due to lower running cost in that case.
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Old 03-30-2018, 12:27 PM
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Which says it makes sense for a very specific kind of client in one market world wide (that still has some unrestricted Autobahn KM left) And that says he doesn't like the ICE train service in Germany or flying (both quicker and cheaper).

Everyone else (in a passenger car, not commercial vehicle or proper Off roader in the Outback or comparable regions) doesn't need a Diesel unless he likes to believe German car magazines who still want to claim it's the future, because it's the card that the German car industry put all it's money on a few years ago and doesn't want to admit failure yet....
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Old 03-30-2018, 05:10 PM
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I thought about the emissions thing, upcoming regulations (Euro 6 Phase D and Euro 7) and the eventual phase-out of all things internal combustion in the next few decades.

However, until then, then it's business as usual.

Anyways:

Another thing to consider would be the torque and its availability.

This thing has monstrous amounts torque to help with towing and stuff. The 4.0 V8 diesel would still produce more torque compared to the V6 petrol hybrid...........so unless that changes anytime soon, the V8 diesel is still the winner on that aspect.
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