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Old 06-25-2015, 02:16 AM
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I vastly prefer the Clubman and I'm confounded as to why Mini has them both. Mini just keeps slicing its pie smaller and smaller.
It's really just a long wheelbase version of the 4 door, which many manufacturers offer. Necessary, no, but likely cheap to develop and build and adds a few extra sales for someone who needs more space. If they had offered this right away instead of the hardtop 4 door then people would've said it isn't mini enough to be a Mini.
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Old 06-25-2015, 02:26 AM
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It's really just a long wheelbase version of the 4 door, which many manufacturers offer. Necessary, no, but likely cheap to develop and build and adds a few extra sales for someone who needs more space. If they had offered this right away instead of the hardtop 4 door then people would've said it isn't mini enough to be a Mini.
I think the even BMW Group knows that Mini is now only a name, no longer a function. Their cars have been growing and growing with every generation.
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Old 06-25-2015, 03:01 AM
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I think the even BMW Group knows that Mini is now only a name, no longer a function. Their cars have been growing and growing with every generation.
It's relative. Everyone else's cars have grown too, probably at the same rate.
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It's relative. Everyone else's cars have grown too, probably at the same rate.
True for the hatchback probably (though still, the current car is probably more than a third larger than the original model, which lived until 15 years ago). But the estate has about as much common with the real Mini as the Porsche Panamera with an original 911 (or the Fiat 500L with the original Cinquecento)
Granted, as an isolated design, the estate is not bad, just why trying to give it a connex to the original car...
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Old 06-25-2015, 01:37 PM
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We also have to remember that the original Mini was the name of a model not the name of a brand.

Given that Mini is a now brand with an array of models, comparing it to the original model is of little value.
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I prefer the old Clubman. This looks like a creature from the deep.
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Old 06-26-2015, 09:13 AM
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It's relative. Everyone else's cars have grown too, probably at the same rate.
Yep, in that Mini pic, you could partly fill the gap between old and new with the Metro. If the Mini had been updated and replaced on a regular cycle since launch we wouldn't moan so much about the current ones being big. People don't say 'OMG WTF the new Fiesta or Golf is massive what have they done!!?!' because its been a steady increase. The Mini skipped the bit in the middle and made a big jump in size.

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I think the problem with the Mini is, that whilst it is true that Fiesta, Golf etc. have grown, their design also went through a constant transition and modernization, so the design mostly fits proportions and size. Retro cars (and here specificlly the Mini in it's newest iteration) have the probelm of fitting detailing of an old design on a somehow modern size and shape. The Fiatt 500 somehow manages to keep proportions that give it still a "cute and small" appearance, something the Mini kind of managed through the first two generations of the New Mini. But the new moel is again quite a bit larger, plus more essentially, it has quite changed proportions (longer and flatter front end losing the characteristic Mini stubby nose), partly due to pedestrian safety regulations, party because it now has a slight wedge shape.
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I think the problem with the Mini is, that whilst it is true that Fiesta, Golf etc. have grown, their design also went through a constant transition and modernization, so the design mostly fits proportions and size...it has quite changed proportions (longer and flatter front end losing the characteristic Mini stubby nose), partly due to pedestrian safety regulations...
:)Safety adds size and weight. Cars are remarkably safer today.

The first Golf--stylistically--kills every Golf that followed it. Its look has weathered time quite well.

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I think the problem with the Mini is, that whilst it is true that Fiesta, Golf etc. have grown, their design also went through a constant transition and modernization, so the design mostly fits proportions and size. Retro cars (and here specificlly the Mini in it's newest iteration) have the probelm of fitting detailing of an old design on a somehow modern size and shape. The Fiatt 500 somehow manages to keep proportions that give it still a "cute and small" appearance, something the Mini kind of managed through the first two generations of the New Mini. But the new moel is again quite a bit larger, plus more essentially, it has quite changed proportions (longer and flatter front end losing the characteristic Mini stubby nose), partly due to pedestrian safety regulations, party because it now has a slight wedge shape.
agreed. had it been continual change with subtle increases in size then modern Minis would get less flack (also if the company wasn't called Mini).... styling wise, the core models were spot on and the detailing near perfect, inside and out. especially the last gen had fantastic proportions that were true to the original, although this current gen has some slightly awkward overhangs. this is really the first generation that loses its way a bit.
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