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Old 02-22-2018, 12:53 PM
madskillz madskillz is offline
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Hate the whole Cupra stand alone concept - they should just leave it as Seat Ibiza Cupra.

Seat brand has the youngest customers among VAG and Seat cars are tuned as the sportiest among Volkswagen products - I don't think any current Cupra owner is unhappy about having Seat logo on their car.

Plus the new logo and grill are a bit garish - there are other brands for boy racer look.
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Old 02-22-2018, 01:28 PM
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Hate the whole Cupra stand alone concept - they should just leave it as Seat Ibiza Cupra.

Seat brand has the youngest customers among VAG and Seat cars are tuned as the sportiest among Volkswagen products - I don't think any current Cupra owner is unhappy about having Seat logo on their car.

Plus the new logo and grill are a bit garish - there are other brands for boy racer look.
But they always lack AWD compared to VW and Audi.
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Old 02-22-2018, 01:49 PM
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But they always lack AWD compared to VW and Audi.
Personally I don't think a hot hatch requires AWD, in many cases the car gets a bit boring, as weight is added and more predictable handling (plus usually quite a price hike), something not bad in a car, but a hot hatch with lift off over steer capabilities can be quite fun. Most people find a Golf GTI more fun than a Golf R; And many hot hatchbacks show that FWD can cope with near 300hp nowadays.

That s aid, you can have the Leon Cupra as AWD if you buy the estate version, and the polo GTI is FWD only too, so choosing an Ibiza doesn't make you miss out on a feature that the VW has; And ultimately VAG will want to keep the best for Audi, as it is where they can charge the highest margin.
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Old 02-22-2018, 02:06 PM
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Personally I don't think a hot hatch requires AWD, in many cases the car gets a bit boring...
You nailed it.

The first truth is that FWD handling limits are pretty high in the hot hatches so the improvement you get with AWD is negligible.

The second truth is that FWD hatches can be coaxed into oversteer to pivot and place the car and get a little counter-steering in whereas the AWD car will be a dull neutral-to-understeer machine.

For me AWD is great for inclement weather or for masking that the engine is in the wrong place (Porsche 911), but I'd rather have FWD or RWD.
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