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Old 09-03-2018, 08:10 PM
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...if tariffs....
If tariffs go away and the playing field gets evened, the Focus could come from Europe.
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Old 09-03-2018, 11:06 PM
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I think I've become emotionally invested in certain car brands the way many people get invested in sports.
It's only silly b/c sports teams care more about fans than the Big 3 care about their US customers. Ford, especially, had been making excellent vehicles for how long b/f deciding to more closely align their Euro and US models? They don't deserve your hard-earned $, and they won't learn that until people stop buying them just so that they can support a supposedly US company.... All JMO, of course.
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Old 09-04-2018, 12:12 AM
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Ford has an idiot at the helm and it shows.
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Old 09-04-2018, 07:09 AM
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Ford has an idiot at the helm and it shows.
Here I have to fully agree....

Occasionally one could think he is an inside job form a competitor with one goal, to ruin Ford...
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Old 09-04-2018, 01:02 PM
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Here I have to fully agree....

Occasionally one could think he is an inside job form a competitor with one goal, to ruin Ford...
Why does no one in the Ford family say "What in hell??"
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Old 09-04-2018, 01:17 PM
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Why does no one in the Ford family say "What in hell??"
Probably each rich enough and hating each other more than the idea of the company slowly getting ruined.
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Old 09-04-2018, 01:23 PM
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Why does no one in the Ford family say "What in hell??"
What baffles me is EVERY time there is a swing in consumer tastes, people predict the end of sedans. It happened w/ the station wagon, it happened with the minivan, it happened w/ SUV's and now it's happening w/ CUV's.

Killing a segment that is ultimately the underpinnings of today's CUV's astonishes me - and is a spectacular example of two dimensional thinking.

As someone above said (might even have been you Swiz); not everyone wants extra weight, decreased fuel economy, increased height and marginalized handling that comes with all of that; myself included.

I remember when I went from a CX7 to an Optima Hybrid - my friends were saying I'd HATE it; quite the opposite. I remembered why I loved sedans. Ironically, my two closest friends (who were saying I'd hate it); left from a Murano to a Infiniti sedan and a CX7 to an ATS. Why? All the above reasons I mentioned.

Point being, the pendulum will swing away from CUV's - and it will swing to sedans. Put out a good compelling product - people will buy it.
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Old 09-04-2018, 10:44 PM
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Agree there is way too much to be gained from good sedans and wagons.

I was amazed at how well I liked a BMW 5 series wagon I rented in England earlier this year. It did everything I wanted much more economically than even a small SUV.
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Old 09-05-2018, 08:26 AM
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What baffles me is EVERY time there is a swing in consumer tastes, people predict the end of sedans. It happened w/ the station wagon, it happened with the minivan, it happened w/ SUV's and now it's happening w/ CUV's.
Did people really predict the death of the sedan w/ station wagons and minivans? Station wagons have been around for longer than I have, but I think was a kid/pre-teen when minivans were introduced, and I don't recall people thinking that sedans would disappear.

We rented a Seat Leon in the UK a few wks ago, and I have to admit that a 4-door hatchback is really quite sufficient for most things for 2 adults.
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