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Old 05-09-2018, 10:41 AM
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It's a decent sedan if you'll put up with quality control issues, reliability nightmares, and high cost of repairs once out of warranty.
No worse than most things from Germany. As long you can DIY, most cars are ok. Then it just is a question of how much time are you ready to spend DIY. My last two Alfa's had no problems. One problem that happened to the older one was a result of maintenance. Leaves blocked the draining canal in front of the windshield, the 'basin' was filled with water, that entered the cabin on turns, and fried a resistor of the ventilation that was located behind the glove box so as the windshield wiper electric motor. Got used pieces for 55€ and this the job in 5 hours. You are perpetrating the same myth as Toyota truck guys on Jeep/Ram, and German car guys on American cars. You yourself said Toyota and Honda are no more the paragon of reliability, something I as a Japanese car liker admit being true.

Another anecdote is another Fiat in my family, no problems, only recently changed timing belt for the first time after 12 years and and 130K km.

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Old 05-09-2018, 01:09 PM
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[1] No worse than most things from Germany.

[2] As long you can DIY, most cars are ok...

[3] Another anecdote is another Fiat in my family, no problems, only recently changed timing belt for the first time after 12 years and and 130K km.


[1] Far worse than anything from Germany and that's widely documented.

[2] There isn't much on modern cars that a person can DIY. That is also widely accepted as true.

[3] The folly of anecdotal "evidence" is that it does NOT prove a thesis.
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Old 05-09-2018, 02:18 PM
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OBD2 was seen when it came out as the end of shade tree mechanics. Now I reckon it helps STMs focus in on the part that needs fixing, or sometimes a group of parts.
It still takes some old fashioned mechanical smarts to fix things.
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Old 05-09-2018, 04:08 PM
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[1] Far worse than anything from Germany and that's widely documented.

[2] There isn't much on modern cars that a person can DIY. That is also widely accepted as true.

[3] The folly of anecdotal "evidence" is that it does NOT prove a thesis.
I agree that the notion of anything Alfa or Fiat is worse than the German products; I do feel that German products on the whole are VASTLY overrated for quality.
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Old 05-10-2018, 11:45 PM
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The Autoextemist opens a can of WA on Jim Farley: http://www.autoextremist.com/
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Old 05-11-2018, 12:31 AM
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The Autoextemist opens a can of WA on Jim Farley: http://www.autoextremist.com/
Ford's decisions are a bit troubling. I'd have kept 1 sedan and "outbacked" a Focus or Fusion wagon.
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Old 05-12-2018, 01:36 AM
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if *I* was engineering new small cars for the rest of the world, LIKE FORD IS,
I'd try to find a way to cover the main part of the U.S carCar market with
- a stretched C2
- a regular C2
- and a shortened C2
=
Fusion
Focus
Fiesta

& I'd definitely get rid of any suit who can't open his mouth [*like on PBS/NightlyBusiness yesterday*]
without STILL sounding like they're abandoning vehicles completely ASAP
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Old 05-12-2018, 01:15 PM
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Ford is either being dumb or it is up to something. To me this is feeling more Sergio Marchionne than anything.
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Old 05-13-2018, 09:01 PM
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Ford is either being dumb or it is up to something. To me this is feeling more Sergio Marchionne than anything.
An office furniture salesmen is unlikely to have anymore clever than cost cutting up his sleave.
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Old 05-14-2018, 12:27 AM
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How about importing from say China all the sedans it needs......
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