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Old 07-29-2019, 06:06 PM
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But they need to at least match Tesla (not that the Model S is an S Class rival) in range, and they cant do that without aerodynamics.
Speaking of the XJ, that shape is what you get when you try to make a front engine car more aerodynamic. The fact that they failed (0.29 drag coefficient when the 1991 w140 S class had 0.30) is another matter.
The c pillars made no sense with the chrome treatment, it had vertical rear lights making the car look narrower and the headlights were too low compared to the grille making for an awkward trunk shutline.
But they cant go back either, forms need to follow function, otherwise we will be stuck in a world of oversized grilles and fake vents..
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Old 07-29-2019, 06:58 PM
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The argument could be made to focus less on aerodynamics and more on style as cars lapse into generic ugly sameness. The EQS will be another Jaguar XJ disaster i.e. a huge hatchback shape that people avoid like an STD.
The success of the A7, a gorgeous huge hatchback, contradicts that. The XJ was unsuccessful because of the weird vertical tail lights.
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Old 07-29-2019, 07:32 PM
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The argument could be made to focus less on aerodynamics and more on style as cars lapse into generic ugly sameness.
agreed, although Tesla did a nice job of combining the two on the model S. for an "SUV", I'd rather sacrifice a few mpg for something better looking as long as the range is still sufficient for a daily commute. I don't think i'm alone in that sentiment. if the battery tech gets that good, then function can follow form.
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The XJ was unsuccessful because of the weird vertical tail lights.
I'd think because it is unreliable.
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:40 PM
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The success of the A7, a gorgeous huge hatchback, contradicts that. The XJ was unsuccessful because of the weird vertical tail lights.
The XJ was unsuccessful because it looked like a terrible remake of a Merkur Scorpio or Rover 3500/SD1.
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Old 07-30-2019, 07:53 AM
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The non success o the XJ has IMO many reasons, the tail lights certainly a major one (as was the whole departure from a shape that people associated with Jaguar XJ for 40 years), but IMO the hand over to budget car maker Tata certainly didn't go down well image wise with everyone (especially badge snobs, that are numerous in the premium segment), and nowadays sharing showroom with the rather more desirable Range Rovers won't help either; And finally, the engine line up of the whole LR group has gradually become less and less competitive over the years, with most engines still being related to old Ford group engines, there Tata has clearly invested to little, with new engines only showing up recently...
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Old 07-30-2019, 02:28 PM
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We saw the gorgeous Bertone B99 and Callum said we wanted a Merkur Scorpio look alike. The XJ needs to look like an XJ. It has an iconic look that Callum was stupid for abandoning.

As for the EQS, the proportions are just strange.
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