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Old 08-03-2016, 09:16 AM
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New Polo spied.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/467865/2...in-california/

Looks typical Volkswagen tidy.
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Old 08-03-2016, 02:36 PM
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VW so needs the Polo in NA. The B segment hatchbacks' sales are nothing to sneer at. Chevy, Ford, and Honda each sell in the mid 50K units per year in the segment.

VW is incapable of doing what I am about to say, but they don't compete in the sub $20K market effectively...not by a long shot. The Up at $12K and the Polo at $14K would put them in that market.

I've also said before that I think the Polo would be a better basis for the GTI in NA than the Golf. The GTI used to be a simple formula: small car + powerful engine + tight suspension i.e. a basic car with the fancy things. The current GTI has forgotten how to be a basic car and thinks it's a premium product.

A Polo GTI would allow for a basic GTI to return.
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Old 08-03-2016, 09:36 PM
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Agree that a Polo GTI would be a great "anti-halo" car (reverse halo car?).

GIven VW's crap reputation otherwise, I don't know if a garden variety Polo would do much to rehab VW's image or add to the bottom line. A Polo presumably wouldn't provide the space efficiency/-flexibility or reliability of a Fit, and it won't provide the buying "American" feel-good vibes of a Bolt or Fiesta.

I think the superficially greater refinement of a VW product means zilch to the millenials (who I assume would be the target audience)....
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Old 08-03-2016, 11:40 PM
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...I think the superficially greater refinement of a VW product means zilch to the millenials (who I assume would be the target audience)....
Ironically, though, the Jetta and Passat--to name two--LACK the refinement of their competitors. The new Civic is one hell of a car that feels Acura-like whereas the Jetta just feels old. The Passat is pretty class trailing. The Accord and the Fusion easily outdistance it.
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Old 08-04-2016, 12:29 AM
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Ironically, though, the Jetta and Passat
To be fair, the Jetta and Passat are also 2 of the older (perhaps oldest?) entries in their class. I assume that the new Jetta based on the MQB will be significant better, and both models are supposed to drive fairly well, even at their advanced age.

I'm very interested in what Acura does w/ the new Civic chassis which, as you state, is supposed to be excellent (I've not driven one myself). The CLA is very unimpressive, which means that the A3 doesn't have much competition. Hopefully, Acura doesn't give it an incoherent interior and removes some exterior cutlines....
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Old 08-04-2016, 02:29 AM
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I don't know what you guys get in the US but the new Passat (euro) feels 100% luxury and looks great in the metal. Ditto for all high spec versions of the Golf and most VW cars. Its not a fluke that they are the number 1 selling group in the world at the moment. Haters gonna hate, and i'm mostly a Ford guy (or was) but can't fault them
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Old 08-04-2016, 02:32 AM
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VW so needs the Polo in NA. The B segment hatchbacks' sales are nothing to sneer at. Chevy, Ford, and Honda each sell in the mid 50K units per year in the segment.
They may make volume, but I assume a lot of this volume is fleets and loss leaders. It's gotten so bad that Chevy dramatically cut back Sonic production. Ford seems to have dropped a lot of Fiestas on Zipcar. I heard Honda has reduced Fit production at the Mexico Factory to make room for more HR-Vs. Mazda dropped the 2 for the US market.

B-Segment is dying in the US. Nice at it may be, the Polo is not what VW needs in the US.
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Old 08-04-2016, 07:07 AM
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I don't know what you guys get in the US but the new Passat (euro) feels 100% luxury and looks great in the metal.
We get a super-sized, decontented version of the European Passat. Very crude interior and exterior styling, and it looks more retro than the prevoius gen Passat (all IMHO, of course). Driving dynamics are still supposed to be recognizable European, and I remember being how suprised at how stiff the structure felt when I rode in (not drove) one.

The first version of the Americanized Jetta was supposed to be particularly heinous b/c of the lack of IRS.

I do wonder if the Polo would be better idea for the U.S. if they lifted it to make it a near-CUV....
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Old 08-04-2016, 07:30 AM
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We get a super-sized, decontented version of the European Passat. Very crude interior and exterior styling, and it looks more retro than the prevoius gen Passat
It'a basically a version of the previous gen Skoda Superb, a cheapened large car derived form the PQ35 platform, lacking the refinements that were added to the Golf derived platform for the 2006 Passat that was sold ion the US as well...
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Old 08-04-2016, 02:12 PM
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It'a basically a version of the previous gen Skoda Superb, a cheapened large car derived form the PQ35 platform, lacking the refinements that were added to the Golf derived platform for the 2006 Passat that was sold ion the US as well...
The irony of it all is that the American Passat is usually stickered higher than the competition when comparably equipped, but much of the competition has superior refinement and reliability. The Accord is at the end of its current cycle, but there is no comparison to the Passat. The Passat loses hands down. The Fusion, Sonata, and Optima also easily exceed the Passat. I've not driven the new Malibu, but from what I've read, Chevy did a good job.

Despite it's sticker price, the Passat can be cheaper to buy because VW puts lots and lots of money on the hood, but it drives like its a decade older than the competition.

This Passat sold well to people who had never had VW and when those people lived with their new VWs and their reliability issues, information spread, and Passat sales cooled off even before dieselgate.

As for the previous comment about B segment hatchback market being dead MAYBE...MAYBE NOT...

The trend seems to be to jack up small hatchbacks and "outback" them. The Mazda CX3 and Infiniti QX30 are raised, outbacked hatchbacks. Hyundai is replacing the Accent hatchback with an outbacked model in the next round.

It would not surprise me to see Ford jack up the next Fiesta for the US market. Chevy has already shown a jacked up, outbacked version of the the Spark.

Thus, the segment is morphing, but they will still be hatchbacks.
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