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Old 12-12-2011, 01:43 AM
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Expect to see better styling in 2-3 years, according to Honda's design chief. No matter what Honda does, people will always complain.
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Old 12-12-2011, 04:02 AM
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You really have to wonder what is going on with Honda though, no good looking cars, outdated tech and I'm very scared to see what they do to the next accord euro. They need to sack there design team for a start and get in some real designers and get in some tech.

Mitsubishi really just seems to have no idea what they are doing, where are there new cars?, Pajero is ancient, outlanders old, lancers stagnant, the new mirage is exactly that and there is nothing else.

Mazda seems to be the only brand to know what its doing.
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Old 12-12-2011, 06:26 AM
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You really have to wonder what is going on with Honda though, no good looking cars, outdated tech and I'm very scared to see what they do to the next accord euro. They need to sack there design team for a start and get in some real designers and get in some tech.

Mitsubishi really just seems to have no idea what they are doing, where are there new cars?, Pajero is ancient, outlanders old, lancers stagnant, the new mirage is exactly that and there is nothing else.

Mazda seems to be the only brand to know what its doing.
The Japanese industry is where the American industry was 40 years ago...on top and stumbling.
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Old 12-20-2011, 08:32 AM
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I think a major problem with Honda is (as everyone has stated) that they rely too heavily on their reputation and technology they developed 10 years back.

Honda's IMA hybrid system is in all senses inferior to Toyota's Hybrid Synergy Drive, yet it is barely any cheaper. While every other manufacturer has gone full hybrid (where the car can be driven solely on electricity), Honda still clings onto IMA. GM's e-assist and Peugeot's e-HDI systems basically do the same thing as IMA with half the cost and complexity. They need to go full hybrid or just give up.
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Old 12-20-2011, 02:03 PM
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The entire Japanese industry is at an odd crossroads. Toyota is calling mild refreshes "all new" models. Nissan may have sales, but nothing even remotely class leading. I'm surprised Mitsubishi is not in bankruptcy given that even where they are "competitive" there are better choices from other makers. Mazda is not big enough to go it alone forever. Subaru has been neutered by Toyota. Isuzu, who cares?

As for Honda, I am severely disappointed. Honda used to be a driver's car. Not anymore. Hondas used to be stylish. Not anymore. Hondas used to amaze with clever technology. Not anymore. Never would I have imagined Honda being the next Mitsubishi.
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Old 12-20-2011, 10:18 PM
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I think a major problem with Honda is (as everyone has stated) that they rely too heavily on their reputation and technology they developed 10 years back.
And as a result, Honda has failed to refresh its range on a regular basis. One "complete" redo every six years or so with a nominal MMC in the middle. Whereas other brands do more substantial MMCs. Ford tends to introduce new engines and drivetrains in their MMCs. Look at what Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge has done over the last two years. Or Hyundai. None of them have left any model as it was when it was introduced.

As a result a even their best designs get overtaken by the competition after two to three years on the market.

And their worst designs have their lifespans extended, tarnishing the reputation of the rest of the range.
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:40 AM
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Honda needs to start pulling rabbits out of its hat right about now.
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Old 12-21-2011, 11:30 AM
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At least Ito admits that the US Civic was a mistake. He fully takes responsibility which is something you do not see in Autmotive CEO's today. 2013 will probably bring a new Civic MMC and a new Accord which the coupe version will debut as a Concept at the NAIAS.
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:17 PM
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At least Ito admits that the US Civic was a mistake. He fully takes responsibility which is something you do not see in Autmotive CEO's today. 2013 will probably bring a new Civic MMC and a new Accord which the coupe version will debut as a Concept at the NAIAS.
Yeah, but that was bookended by the corporate statement that the Crosstour is a beautiful vehicle. The MMC Civic will just correct the interior complaints and slap a new grille onto the current car most likely. Unless Honda fired its entire styling team for the Accord's design, it will come from the same stagnant minds giving us a steady flow of grotesque Hondas and Acuras.
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Old 12-26-2011, 10:06 PM
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The Ody redo has flopped.
Ody November YTD sales: 95,579
Sienna November YTD sales: 99,865
Chrysler T&C November YTD sales: 84,701
Dodge Grand Caravan YTD sales: 98,983

The Ody is neck and neck with the Sienna and Grand Caravan. How is it a flop?
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