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Old 09-14-2017, 03:56 PM
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-fi...-idUSKCN1BD0EG

FIAT and Marchionne really had a chance, they got Chrysler at the right moment for a good price, but unfortunately they seamingly didn't have the ressources to further develop the brands and it is only becoming worse.

I read 2 weeks ago that VW was in talks with FCA regarding a cooperation for light commercial vehicles, thus I agree with Swizzle that RAM would be one of the few brands to make sense to survive. Volkswagen doesn't have a LCV brand in the US and neither do they have Pick-Ups there. FCA urgently needs the cash, so VW should just go for them.
Chrysler and Dodge could indeed be rebranded Skodas and Seats.
Alfa Romeo is in a tough bet, Piech unfortunately isn't there anymore to get them for cheap now :)
Maserati as well, could easily use the Porsche developed platform though.
Jeep really would drive the price up I guess and I am not sure if VW would go there right now.

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Old 09-14-2017, 05:20 PM
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-au...-idUSKCN1BP1OH

FIAT and Marchionne really had a chance, they got Chrysler at the right moment for a good price, but unfortunately they seamingly didn't have the ressources to further develop the brands and it is only becoming worse.

I read 2 weeks ago that VW was in talks with FCA regarding a cooperation for light commercial vehicles, thus I agree with Swizzle that RAM would be one of the few brands to make sense to survive. Volkswagen doesn't have a LCV brand in the US and neither do they have Pick-Ups there. FCA urgently needs the cash, so VW should just go for them.
Chrysler and Dodge could indeed be rebranded Skodas and Seats.
Alfa Romeo is in a tough bet, Piech unfortunately isn't there anymore to get them for cheap now :)
Maserati as well, could easily use the Porsche developed platform though.
Jeep really would drive the price up I guess and I am not sure if VW would go there right now.
Confused. What does an article about Daimler have to do with FIAT at this point?
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Old 09-14-2017, 08:14 PM
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Confused. What does an article about Daimler have to do with FIAT at this point?
Nothing. This sh** Reuters page changes the address in the browser bar if you scroll down to the next article :/ Sorry, fixed it.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:33 PM
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Alpha will never make it. It's another complete waste of money by FCA. Money that was earned by Dodge, Chrysler - who are starving and destined to sit next to Pontiac, Olds, Saturn, Plymoth brand junk yards.

For the record, Alpha has sold less than half of what Genesis has sold this year. Both are new 'brands' - and Genesis arguably has less brand recognition than Alpha. AND they don't have a CUV yet.

Even looking at things on a monthly basis - Alpha STILL trails Genesis by 10%-15% per month....

Alpha is a complete waste of resources.

This is in reference to Sergio talking about how they can't stand on their own feet yet....
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lol

I'm an enthusiast - and I STILL don't know how to spell the name!!
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Old 09-21-2017, 01:20 PM
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Left Lane is reporting that Hyundai-Kia is looking to buy FCA.
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Left Lane is reporting that Hyundai-Kia is looking to buy FCA.
All of it, or just parts? As I understand, Marchionne is not keen on selling the whole FCA group, but rather have a "Jeep/RAM", "Alfa/Maserati" and "rest of it" split, either sold separately or just one part sold to finance the rest...
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All of it, or just parts? As I understand, Marchionne is not keen on selling the whole FCA group, but rather have a "Jeep/RAM", "Alfa/Maserati" and "rest of it" split, either sold separately or just one part sold to finance the rest...
Given that Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram is a legally separate company from Fiat/Alfa-Romeo/Lancia/Maserati under the FCA corporate umbrella, the American arm can easily be sold without the Italian garbage.

The smart deal would be to sell the American arm to Hyundai and then ink a deal with Geely for platform sharing for Fiat (small wheezers and small crossovers) and possibly to have finagled a platform sharing deal with Genesis for Alfa-Romeo and Maserati.
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Given that Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram is a legally separate company from Fiat/Alfa-Romeo/Lancia/Maserati under the FCA corporate umbrella, the American arm can easily be sold without the Italian garbage.

The smart deal would be to sell the American arm to Hyundai and then ink a deal with Geely for platform sharing for Fiat (small wheezers and small crossovers) and possibly to have finagled a platform sharing deal with Genesis for Alfa-Romeo and Maserati.
I think the whole FCA and Hyundai/Kia could be a good match: Some Italian style for the standard Hyundais vs. Korean quality control for a Fiat 500 or a Chrysler, vs. Jeep "machoism" and RAM/Fiat commercial vehicles for Hyundai, including finally some Pick ups? Genesis, Alfa nad Maserati could well spilt platforms too. Think Genesis "Hellcat" for an AMG fighter...
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