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Old 07-11-2017, 07:34 AM
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Total the 3 top sellers here and you're over a million. Total all the segment and... Your point?
The poinrt is some 40% or so of all cars sold in Europe are C-segment (according to some statistic). Plus margins in Europe are quite good, as they are not seen as "econo" cars ´here. To be big in Europe, you need to shift cars in the c-segment. Elsewhere, other segments are more important, that does not necessarily mean that those markets don't deserve good products in the C-segment..
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Old 07-11-2017, 07:22 PM
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The poinrt is some 40% or so of all cars sold in Europe are C-segment (according to some statistic). Plus margins in Europe are quite good, as they are not seen as "econo" cars ´here. To be big in Europe, you need to shift cars in the c-segment. Elsewhere, other segments are more important, that does not necessarily mean that those markets don't deserve good products in the C-segment..
This is a good point. Europeans are willing to pay FAR more for a C-segment car than either their Asian or North American counterparts are, hence the birth of the premium small hatch, a segment which is largely a footnote in the US market, with some cars such as the BMW 1-Series, Mercedes-Benz A-Class and Volvo V40 not even offered for sale in the United States, because their makers know that they're too expensive for what Americans routinely see as "economy" cars.
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Old 07-11-2017, 08:49 PM
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The point is that if you total up the number of sales of C segment vehicles in NA, you're pushing 2 million units so it's an important segment here too.
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Old 07-13-2017, 07:29 AM
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http://www.carscoops.com/2017/07/new...d-looking.html

A different model, with bigger wheels testing, and somehow looking better in tehse shots. Still with rather long overhangs, but more dynamic looking:

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Old 07-13-2017, 09:14 AM
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Personally i don't see an issue with overhangs, it looks large yes, but not ungainly. I'' reserve judgement till more camo is off. Surprised no renders are out yet..
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Old 07-13-2017, 12:40 PM
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I think the face of the Fusion, Focus, Fiesta, etc is starting to get long in the tooth (although it still looks good). I wish we'd see something new.
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I think the face of the Fusion, Focus, Fiesta, etc is starting to get long in the tooth (although it still looks good). I wish we'd see something new.
Agree. You'd think there would have been some evolution of it with the Fiesta refresh. But no.
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Old 07-13-2017, 01:33 PM
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I think the face of the Fusion, Focus, Fiesta, etc is starting to get long in the tooth (although it still looks good). I wish we'd see something new.
I kind of would prefer the oval badge inside the grille, it looks surprisingly good on the Euro transit facelift. That way there would also be more of a "family look" with the SUV grilles
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Old 07-25-2017, 07:51 AM
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https://www.motor1.com/photo/2244085...gon-spy-photo/

This time, the Estate has been spied; I suspect that just like with the current generation, this will be mostly for Europe (where estates account for roughly 50 or more % of c-segment sales)

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Old 07-25-2017, 01:59 PM
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Hmmm. Hopefully it's the camo, but this variant (unlike the hatch and sedan) looks somewhat cumbersome. Not doing it for me so far, have to say.
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