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Old 07-06-2017, 07:26 AM
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I think there's a market for more luxury pickups. .
Certainly there is, but first I think the Nissan Navara, of which this is based, is too small to be anything close to luxury in the USA (any F series, Ram or Silverado is way more spacious inside), and still feels more workhorse than SUV, although there are worse in it's segment; And even if Mercedes will have reworked bits and the setup, they can't do magic to it, so I doubt any US pick up buyer choosing between a nice V8/V6 EcoBosst fully trimmed AND full size US Pick up and a tarted up Navara would chose form the first group....

Mercedes does also sell a reworked Renault Kangoo small van in Europe, and they have - like Renault - civilian passenger versions aimed at families. And whilst the commercial version does ell to fleet customers who have all their other commercial vehicles form Mercedes, I have seen very few civilian customers paying a significant premium over the more or less identical base Renault. ANd whilst a Pick Up has a cooler image, and thus will likely attract more badge snobs than a small van, I still doubt many average pick up buyers will be willing to pay a considerable price premium over it's plebeian brother (which, anyway, has been among the best selling pick up trucks in Europe anyway for decades)
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Old 07-07-2017, 11:33 PM
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It is hoped the Merc engineers are / have been working overtime to rectify the steering and suspension deficiencies of the base car. It will be interesting to see the result.
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It is hoped the Merc engineers are / have been working overtime to rectify the steering and suspension deficiencies of the base car. It will be interesting to see the result.
Indeed. Moreover, a Mercedes with a frame that breaks in the middle and collapses would not be considered premium.
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Old 07-09-2017, 01:23 AM
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If the Mercedes were (1) F150 sized and (2) technologically forward for the price, then it would be an OK niche seller, but the American pickups will still be hard to beat.

The problem is that the Navara rides on a very old platform with the most modest of updates over the years.

Mercedes-level people would need to pull horses or boats and a full-sized pickup is simply better than a mid-sized one so even if the X Class were brilliant it's wrong sized.
Wrong sized, for the American market, yes. But there's lots of markets outside the US that will appreciate it's size.
Agreed that Merc has a hell of a lot of work to do to bring the donor car up to Merc standard.
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Old 07-09-2017, 01:33 AM
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...Agreed that Merc has a hell of a lot of work to do to bring the donor car up to Merc standard.
They really should have looked for a better donor vehicle. Of course Toyota is out because BMW was much more astute in choosing a Japanese partner.
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Old 07-10-2017, 08:04 AM
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Agreed that Merc has a hell of a lot of work to do to bring the donor car up to Merc standard.
The problem is that, when looking at various other more or less Renault derived products and engines, Mercedes always claims massive reworks, but you are pressed very hard to tell, mostly cosmetic, and even there not really in terms of "much better built or materials", but rather "Mercedes design language" or "bling made of actually plastic".

Even the always stressed to be unrelated to the Megane A-Class with the Renault diesel feels, when driven, pretty much like a Megane, and quality does also - badge snobbery aside - not really feel in a different league in most details, unless you really spend out another small Renault on trim packages and options. So what can they do much to a Navara bar a Mercedes like dashboard, though likely made of hard plastic and some Nissan switches below the first "line of sight"...
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Old 07-10-2017, 01:42 PM
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BMW was much smarter to tie up with Toyota. Mercedes chose poorly.
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If Mercedes was to release a pickup in the US, the GLS platform would be all the truck it ever needed to be. Honda got it right in that respect with the ridgeline.
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If Mercedes was to release a pickup in the US, the GLS platform would be all the truck it ever needed to be. Honda got it right in that respect with the ridgeline.
Indeed. A GLS pickup would make brilliant sense. I honestly think that crossover pickups have to be a "thing" sooner or later, but the Ridgeline has been a stunning sales failure. Granted the first one was hideous, but the current Ridgeline is good looking and should be going gangbusters, but it isn't.
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Old 07-10-2017, 09:21 PM
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BMW was much smarter to tie up with Toyota. Mercedes chose poorly.
When talking about this generation Navara, that is true. The previous generation (D40) Navara was a class leader in Australia for several years, while this generation doesn't even come close to the class front runners.
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