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Old 02-07-2018, 11:39 PM
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IMO the current gen facelift is better than either of the "brand new" competitors and this will likely serve to increase the lead.
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Old 02-08-2018, 08:42 AM
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IMO the current gen facelift is better than either of the "brand new" competitors and this will likely serve to increase the lead.
The A8 might have a lot of electronic gimmickry (a lot of it of questionable use though), but in terms of style, the facelifted S-Class is in another league. And the 7 series is so forgettable IMO, just today I was driving next to one, and gave up deciding whether that is a current generation or the one before. And techwise, also somehow overshadowed. I'd even choose an Equus over it, if for some reasons I wouldn't buy an S-Class in that segment...
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Old 02-08-2018, 05:19 PM
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The A8 might have a lot of electronic gimmickry (a lot of it of questionable use though), but in terms of style, the facelifted S-Class is in another league. And the 7 series is so forgettable IMO, just today I was driving next to one, and gave up deciding whether that is a current generation or the one before. And techwise, also somehow overshadowed. I'd even choose an Equus over it, if for some reasons I wouldn't buy an S-Class in that segment...
As long as the A8 sits on an awkward FWD platform it won't have the elegance to compete. It's proportions always make it look cheaper. The 7 series need major rethinking to make it relevant again. as you say, it's totally forgettable
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Old 02-08-2018, 09:16 PM
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I was driving next to one, and gave up deciding whether that is a current generation or the one before.
Which would not be a big deal, had previous generations been class leaders. But since they have not, BMWs insistence on making future 7-Series look exactly like old ones is a rather curious choice.... I also cannot tell the 7-series and 5-Series interior apart, and the 5-Series isn't exactly exceeding class standards.

BTW, you can distinguish the current gen by the ridiculous hockey-stick chrome detailing on the lower side body.
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Old 02-09-2018, 03:23 AM
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I honestly think the pecking order is:

Mercedes S Class

if you can't afford that...

Lexus LS and Genesis G90 for value and reliability

or if you want more style...

Lincoln Continental

The ancient-looking 7 Series, the hatchback looking XJ, Maserati "300" and the Audi "Camry" just aren't compelling.
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Old 02-10-2018, 01:08 PM
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I honestly think the pecking order is:

Mercedes S Class

if you can't afford that...

Lexus LS and Genesis G90 for value and reliability

or if you want more style...

Lincoln Continental

The ancient-looking 7 Series, the hatchback looking XJ, Maserati "300" and the Audi "Camry" just aren't compelling.
7 Series has 'new' V12 with AWD and AWS.
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Old 02-10-2018, 01:32 PM
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7 Series has 'new' V12 with AWD and AWS.
So?

No one notices it.

If a 7 Series and a Lincoln Continental drove up the the valet, people would remember the Lincoln.
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Old 02-10-2018, 10:02 PM
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So?

No one notices it.

If a 7 Series and a Lincoln Continental drove up the the valet, people would remember the Lincoln.
The S Class also would not be noticed, looks like any other Mercedes.
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7 Series has 'new' V12 with AWD and AWS.
A luxury car is more than a tech fest (that is why the Audi A8 also leaves me unimpressed, it is less than the sum of it's elements), and that said, the S-Class still offers a V12, so it's not a unique feature, and 4WS is available even on a Renault Megane, so again not THE luxury stand out; And none of this gadgetry can compensate for an anonymous appearance lacking style;

Whilst it is true that Mercedes also tend to look quite alike, it is a top down approach, with the S-Class kind of pulling it of the best, and an C-Class ending up as a "Mini S-Class" as a result; AT BMW, the 3 series pulls of the look the best (together with the 2 series), and the larger cars look like enlarged versions, and the 7 series is just a bloated 3 series as a result; I like smaller BMWs, and quite liked earlier 7 series (I even have a soft spot for the Bangle 7 series, for trying something entirely different and ultimately having a lot of features - the Bangle butt, rotary control, twin screens as instruments and NAV, etc. - that ended up everywhere else), but the last 2 generations just don#t do it for me...
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:53 AM
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A luxury car is more than a tech fest (that is why the Audi A8 also leaves me unimpressed, it is less than the sum of it's elements), and that said, the S-Class still offers a V12, so it's not a unique feature, and 4WS is available even on a Renault Megane, so again not THE luxury stand out; And none of this gadgetry can compensate for an anonymous appearance lacking style;

Whilst it is true that Mercedes also tend to look quite alike, it is a top down approach, with the S-Class kind of pulling it of the best, and an C-Class ending up as a "Mini S-Class" as a result; AT BMW, the 3 series pulls of the look the best (together with the 2 series), and the larger cars look like enlarged versions, and the 7 series is just a bloated 3 series as a result; I like smaller BMWs, and quite liked earlier 7 series (I even have a soft spot for the Bangle 7 series, for trying something entirely different and ultimately having a lot of features - the Bangle butt, rotary control, twin screens as instruments and NAV, etc. - that ended up everywhere else), but the last 2 generations just don#t do it for me...
What is special is the inclusion of both V12, AWD and AWS and 4 door. Nor car has that, so that is what makes it special. I am not talking about the other engines/versions. The FF has two doors, not 4 like the 7 Series. The Megane has AWS, but not AWD and only an I4. The S Class has a V12, but no AWD or AWS. I am a BMW design hater and a gimmick hater, but V12, AWD and AWS is not a gimmick, especially in this combination. That the S Class is luxurious is not debatable, but it also has a lot of useless tech and looks anonymous.
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