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Old 06-22-2018, 12:16 AM
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I'm still amazed that Toyota doesn't introduce commercial vehicles into North America to compete with The Transit/Sprinter, Transit Connect/NV etc.
Or strike a deal with GM to do just that jointly.
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Old 06-22-2018, 12:27 AM
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I'm still amazed that Toyota doesn't introduce commercial vehicles into North America to compete with The Transit/Sprinter, Transit Connect/NV etc.
They could indeed, but I am not sure Toyota has a large van like the sprinter, at least in Europe. I know they have the Proace. Nissan doesn't even have their own but a rebadge of the Renault Master. Maybe Toyota has something in some other country that could rival the Sprinter?
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Old 06-22-2018, 12:51 AM
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...Maybe Toyota has something in some other country that could rival the Sprinter?
Or they could do what Nissan did with one of the NV vans. They essentially rebodied a Titan.
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Old 06-22-2018, 02:20 AM
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Those vans are horrendous to look at, eye gouging horrendous.
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Old 06-22-2018, 07:57 AM
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They could indeed, but I am not sure Toyota has a large van like the sprinter, at least in Europe. I know they have the Proace. Nissan doesn't even have their own but a rebadge of the Renault Master. Maybe Toyota has something in some other country that could rival the Sprinter?
The Proace is also just a rebadged Peugeot/Citroen mid sized van, and they don't offer anything larger in the van market. Otherwise they sell in several European markets the Dyna trucks, but they are already proper small cab over things, so a very different breed to a Sprinter/Fiat Ducato (which is still the king of sales in Europe); Otherwise they have the Hiace in developing markets, which is quite large, but more oriented at transporting a lot of people as a bush taxi than competing iwth the Sprinters of this world....

But I guess Toyota will very closely watch the Ford/Volkswagen alliance for commercial vehicles.
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Old 06-22-2018, 08:22 AM
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There is no point to rival the Mercedes Sprinter. The Sprinter is the best Mercedes does. It is Mercedes's best product, for its purpose, it is a better product than the S Class.
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There is no point to rival the Mercedes Sprinter. The Sprinter is the best Mercedes does. It is Mercedes's best product, for its purpose, it is a better product than the S Class.
Xanax could help you with your reasoning skills.
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Old 06-22-2018, 03:05 PM
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Xanax could help you with your reasoning skills.
Because you are unable to understand, I will make the reasoning more clear.

The S Class is not in any significant way better than the different Kia K900, Genesis G90, Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Lexus LS, Porsche Panamera, Jaguar XJ, Maserati Quattroporte and Bentley Flying Spur.

The Sprint is overall significantly better than same, VW Crafter, Hyundai H350, Renault Master, Nissan NV400, Opel Movano, Vauxhall Movano, CitroŽn Jumper, Peugeot Boxer, Fiat Ducato, Ram ProMaster and Iveco Daily.

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S Class = Rivals

But

Sprinter > Rivals

Then

S Class < Sprinter
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Because you are unable to understand, I will make the reasoning more clear.

The S Class is not in any significant way better than the...

Yup you're right. Damn! Mercedes must be smarting and perplexed by how the Kia K900 is the equal of the S Class.
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Old 06-22-2018, 08:26 PM
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Yup you're right. Damn! Mercedes must be smarting and perplexed by how the Kia K900 is the equal of the S Class.
It is not my problem that competitors have caught up and Mercedes has not figured out how to make the S Class a significantly better car (their choice to define what better is). Adding more bling (LEDs, crystals, etc.) is not the solution. There is the Rolls Royce Ghost for that, which I deliberately left out of my enumeration, because that is where it has the upper hand.
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