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Old 06-23-2017, 03:16 AM
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I have expressed the same opinion about recent Kias as I did when the refreshed Optima debuted. They've been evolving their cars in the wrong direction imo (Hyundai as well to a degree). What I appreciated from the old Optima was the crispness of its lines and detailing. Hyundai managed the swoopy and Kia controlled the hard-edged modern. They're merging too close to one another now while maintaining the same market spaces.
Infiniti suffered the same fate with the FX. The first one was a knockout then they kept trying to rehash it until it looked like poop.

The previous generation Sonata and Optima were fresh and immediately appealing: tight, cohesive and very accessible leading to great success. Their replacements were half-assed rehashes to be nice about it all.

The new Camry and Accord will be walking away with the game for a few years. The Camcord is back and as attractive as never before.

And worthless to about 12 people without a manual transmission.
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Old 06-23-2017, 07:19 AM
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Infiniti suffered the same fate with the FX. The first one was a knockout then they kept trying to rehash it until it looked like poop.
Well, to be fair (to Hyundai/Kia, I guess), the original FX was unique b/c it was sporty and kind of daring in style. And then everyone started to up their game w/ luxury SUVs since they started selling more.... And then, when the Macan came out, what was the point of the Infiniti at all (aside from possibly being cheaper?).

I do think the Optima took a step back stylistically, but functionality has supposedly improved. Same w/ the Sonata. While I appreciated how daring the last Sonata was, it was a little *too* swoopy, for my tastes.

I also think Hyundai/Kia products have simply improved to the point where a quantum leap can no longer be expected w/ each succeeding model. It's easy to improve a car when it's kind of crappy. If it's fairly competent, it becomes much harder....
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C&D's pictures really make this car look good. Cant wait to see one on the road to get a close look at it.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review
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Old 09-28-2017, 10:28 PM
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Oddly precise estimates of U.S. pricing:

http://blog.caranddriver.com/the-cos...ss-than-33000/

I wonder if Kia is reading the comments section to see how people react. It's not the mind blowing value I had been hoping for, but it still looks to be a good value. I think a bigger prob is that the dealership and service experience will be very much below the luxury brands....
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... It's not the mind blowing value I had been hoping for, but it still looks to be a good value....
$33K for an RWD performance sedan with quite impressive base numbers is pretty mind-blowing to me. I suppose you could buy a Mercedes emblem or Audi rings on a garden variety FWD platform for the same price, but that's mind numbing.
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Old 09-29-2017, 02:13 AM
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$33K for an RWD performance sedan with quite impressive base numbers is pretty mind-blowing to me. I suppose you could buy a Mercedes emblem or Audi rings on a garden variety FWD platform for the same price, but that's mind numbing.
I guess my initial enthusiasm has cooled b/c the performance numbers on Motor Trend aren't at all impressive (esp given that it was the GT they tested). Admittedly, these were pre-production (I think), so who knows what the final numbers will be. And, yes, I know that numbers don't tell the whole tale. But I'm wondering if the base Stinger will put up numbers that are better than the new Camry (which put up good numbers when Car and Driver tested it), and reports that the U.S. versions are soft in vertical motions (MT literally said it was old-school Buick) w/ little body roll sounds very odd to me (I'd rather tightly controlled vertical motions w/ a little more body roll).

I guess what I'm saying is, I'm not sure if the Stinger is nearly as sporty as we had hoped it would be.
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Old 09-29-2017, 07:48 AM
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$33K for an RWD performance sedan with quite impressive base numbers is pretty mind-blowing to me. I suppose you could buy a Mercedes emblem or Audi rings on a garden variety FWD platform for the same price, but that's mind numbing.
Oh those typical customers for base Audi or Mercedes wills till blindfolded buy their "prmeium" products, no matter how much better cars you can get for the money. I love those people in Europe who buy (or lease in a 99EUR/month and bascially no driving allowed deal) some spartan base A3 or A class with either a 1.0 3 cylinder or a Renault/Dacia Diesel, no equipment at all (bar some huge S-Line/AMG alloys) and then are proudly premium owners. Without a trip computer, steering wheel buttons or even an center arm rest, let alone automatic A/C or any actually upscale interior trim...
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I guess what I'm saying is, I'm not sure if the Stinger is nearly as sporty as we had hoped it would be.
A V8 under the hood for $33K would make it sell like crazy.
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A V8 under the hood for $33K would make it sell like crazy.
in 1990s maybe... unfortunately not today.
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Old 09-29-2017, 10:46 PM
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in 1990s maybe... unfortunately not today.
Yeah, I don't imagine that the V8 Charger is selling in huge numbers.

For me, I'm just a little disappointed b/c I assume that the new Camry and the upcoming Honda will be pretty good drivers. The topline versions are actually not cheaper than the Stinger but, unless the Stinger is significantly better to drive on a daily basis, why not go w/ the brands that will at least have better resale value and a more established dealer/service network?

Holding out hope that the Stinger ends up being like a RWD Mazda (numbers are not impressive, but the subjective drive is very good) w/ better NVH characteristics and more-than-adequate power in the base version. :)
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