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Old 09-22-2015, 12:51 AM
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Default VW Admits it Cheated on USA Emission Tests

I'm surprised that there is not a thread about this. Perhaps some aren't ready to admit that VW committed such a heinous act.

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Volkswagen shares had plunged more than 20 percent today, their biggest one-day fall, after the German carmaker admitted it had rigged emissions tests in the United States.
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The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said on Friday Europe's biggest carmaker had used software for diesel VW and Audi branded cars that deceived regulators measuring toxic emissions and could theoretically face penalties of up to $18 billion. The final fine likely will be far less.
Unbelievable. And more:

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Germany's transport minister was due to discuss the issue with Volkswagen CEO Martin Winterkorn today, two government sources said, without elaborating.

Winterkorn said on Sunday he was "deeply sorry" for the breach of U.S. rules and ordered an external investigation. Some said Winterkorn may now have to resign.

"This disaster is beyond all expectations," said Ferdinand Dudenhoeffer, head of the Center of Automotive Research at the University of Duisburg-Essen.
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Evidence of increased toxic emissions at VW first emerged in 2014, prompting the Californian Air Resources Board (CARB) to start investigating VW, a letter by CARB to VW dated Sept. 18 showed.

CARB told VW in July that its own testing of vehicles still showed excessive nitrous emissions, leading VW to admit on Sept. 3 that it had used the "defeat device" to bypass control rules.

A source close to Volkswagen said any decision on emissions control mechanisms would have been taken at the group's Wolfsburg headquarters and not by regional divisions.
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The U.S. Justice Department is conducting a criminal investigation of Volkswagen AG’s admission to cheating on federal air pollution tests, according to two U.S. officials familiar with the inquiry.
Given the hubristic nature of German auto execs, it will be interesting to see if Winterkorn can weather this storm. I don't see how Piech could use this to return either, since the decision would have been taken under his watch.

Disgusting.

http://www.autonews.com/article/2015...EM11/150929986

http://www.autonews.com/article/20150921/OEM/150929982
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Old 09-22-2015, 02:16 AM
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I hope VW doesent pay a dime to the feds but is instead subjected to another punitive measure. They need to be taught a lesson but that money is theirs.
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Old 09-22-2015, 11:25 AM
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I hope VW doesent pay a dime to the feds but is instead subjected to another punitive measure. They need to be taught a lesson but that money is theirs.
Baloney. U.S. civil law lays out monetary penalties for breaking the law. VW is not above the law.

In addition, they can also be concerned about the criminal statutes that might have been broken.

Then will come the liability and fraud suits from owners and interest groups.

Fun times for VW, and all self inflicted.

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Old 09-22-2015, 11:28 AM
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I'm surprised that there is not a thread about this.
There was discussion of it in the Passat thread for a bit.

It will be interesting to see who ordered this measure. It seems Euro VW diesels are also being checked out to see if they have this issue as well.
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Old 09-22-2015, 12:39 PM
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According to VW, 11 Million vehicles are involved

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34325005

south korea will be testing golfs, jettas and A3s. France finance minister wants an EU inquiry which I feel will happen.

Assuming Europe is involved, this might be a massive blow to VW and customer confidence. On the bright side, bargains on VWs coming?
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Old 09-22-2015, 12:53 PM
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Tdi is dead. They need to sell gas powered, Hybrid and Electric cars only.
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Old 09-22-2015, 01:07 PM
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Assuming Europe is involved, this might be a massive blow to VW and customer confidence. On the bright side, bargains on VWs coming?
I think the damage in Europe imagewise will be less, VW has such power here, also in a lot of media, they will manage to play that whole thing down. SUre, some damage will remain.

That said, the European testing cycle which is done on a rolling road by a computer is so unrealistic and done on cars provided by the manufacturer, that the whole story is probably not even required/illegal here as long as values on teh rolling road are legal...
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Old 09-22-2015, 02:42 PM
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The ball is about to get rolling in EEC.

Massive anti diesel backlash has been building for years. This will tip it over the top.
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Old 09-22-2015, 11:44 PM
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Assuming Europe is involved, this might be a massive blow to VW and customer confidence. On the bright side, bargains on VWs coming?
I think you overestimate the effect it will have on the customer side.
From all that I read today on social media few number of people seem to give a f**k and most of them are anti-VW or anti-America fanboys.

The political and financial effects will be much more of a blow for VW.

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Old 09-23-2015, 12:36 AM
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VW needs to behead Winterkorn publicly, install a new, younger warrior, do a new design language, and replace their (American) product line with new cars that look nothing like the staid German Oldsmobiles VWs are with new names to mark an abrupt break from the sins of the past. Something like (brainstorming)..

VW Eon / value B segment hatch/sedan..connotes longevity
VW Verve / Golf/Jetta replacement
VW Cadence / D segment sedan
and so on.

VW should dive heavily into hybrids and EVs, value for the money, a Hyundai warranty, and create a new dealer interface that communicates change.
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