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Old 02-22-2008, 02:28 AM
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I thought it was only fair for me to share with everyone the news that I have heard as well as the rumors of future supercars from around the world. So please feel free to share any news that you all have heard as well as rumors, this is for any and everyone that has anything to say, you know voice your opinion on rumors as well as news. I will start this post off, with all the supercars that I have heard about.

20?? Ferrari FX70, the successor to the Enzo is well into the early stages of design, and the car should be a break from traditional supercars in this class. The car is expected to be lighter, as well as more compact then alot of cars in it's class. The rumors once suggested that Ferrari had a 7.0 liter normally aspirated V-12 producing 900 BHP, but this has been prove untrue thanks to the new emissions regualtions, Ferrai has 2 other choices that will power the new Prancing Horse. First of these 2 choices are high-revving Direct injection twin-turbo 4.0 V-8 good for roughly 700 BHP, the second choice is a high revving Direct injection twin-turbo 4.6 liter V-12 producing as much as 800 BHP. Both are very good choices but I prefer to see Ferrari's supercar stay with the V-12, with body panels slated to be a comdination fo carbon fiber and RTM( Fiber Glass almost as light and strong as carbon fiber).

20?? Lamborghini JOTA, the successor to the Murcielago is slated to be lighter, as well as more powerful then it's predessors. This car will switch to a aluminum spaceframe changing from the current Lamborghini's steel tub frame. This car will be more compact, and wil still offer a great performence, and overall speed. The engine of choice will be a Direct injection 6.0 liter V-12, a engine based on a stretched Gallardo V-10, with a claimed horsepower rating of 700 BHP. Also expect this car will take a new styling direction closer to that of the Reventon, with all body panels made of cabron fiber and aluminum. Also expect the usual varients of this model, such as a GT/SV/LP.

20?? Mercedes SLC, the successor to the SLR( despite what many think). This model is currently in the devleopment stages with a concept slated to be shown at the upcoming Geneva Autoshow. This model will make use of several different versions of AMG's handbuilt 6.2 liter V-8, with the base model slated for a 600 BHP version, with 2 twin-turbo versions ranging from 750 BHP, and a even more extreme version with close to 1000 BHP. With the body panels made of carbon fiber, expect this model to be truly extreme supercar. The power will be transferred to the road via a 7 speed F1 style paddle-shift transmission. If all goes well with the SLC, Mercedes is prepared to develop a low volume production of sports and supercars with HWA, with a second model already in the planning, a true mid-engine supercar powered by the twin-turbo 6.2 liter V-8 producing over 1000 BHP, this model is codenamed StreamLiner, and could possibly be partnered with the Aston Martin NPX supercar.

20?? McLaren P11, the nect inline supercar from McLaren. This car will not be a competitor to the F430 and Gallardo, it will actually be in a class above those 2 models. The engine for this model will be a high revving Hand-built AMG 6.2 liter V-8 producing 620 BHP. This model will also offer a cabriolet version , and could also see a second model spun off of it with even more horsepower.

20?? BMW M1, BMW are in the early stages of development on this model. To keep this model as secret as possible BMW has been planning this model to be built along side there F1 cars at Sauber's headquaters. This model will use a carbon fiber monocoque chassis, ith aluminum and magnesium subframes. Power will come from either a twin-turbo direct injection 5.5 liter V-10 producing as much as 700 BHP, or a even more extreme version of the twin-turbo M3 4.4 liter engine producing 650 BHP form it's enlarged engine, which is said to be about 5.1 liters. This carbon fiber monocoque will likely show up on a nother model that I will explain to everyone later.

20?? Porsche GT1, the successor to the Carrera GT, is slated to bea road going LeMans racer, pretty much picking up where the Carerra GT left off. The power for this car will come from a enlarged to 6.0 liter twin-turbo V-10 producing roughly 1000 BHP. This model will be a super lightweight supercar with minimal gadgets inside to make the car more compact as well as more focused. Expect power to go to the rear wheels via a 7 speed transmission. However don't expect this model anytime soon, due t the fact that Porsche is still sorting through everything from the Carerra GT, which didn't hit production cost targets turn around. Not only that, Porsche fans won't plan to buy another supercar so close to the final production Carerra GT.

20?? Pagani C9, the successor to the Zonda . This model will be wider, and slightly longer then the Zonda for improved cockpit room as well as storage. This car is currently in the devleopment stage, and was slated for the first public showing at a upcoming autoshow this year, but with the Zonda R being delayed, we might not see this car until late this year or early next year. The power for this car will come from a new AMG co-developed with Pagani V-12 producing 700 BHP, and 627 lbs feet of torque, with all of that going to the rear wheels through 2 different transmissions, the first is a traditional 6 speed manual, the second is a sequetial shift transmission that would operate like a F1 style transmission. Either way both will send this supercar to a topspeed above 210 MPH.

20?? Saleen, a new sportscar is slated to either replace or accomany the S7 successor, this model will be powered by a Ford Racing 302(5.0 liter) V-8 producing 525 BHP, in normal aspirated form, and 600 BHP in twin-turbo form. This model will send the power to the rear wheels via a 6 speed manual transmission. Expect this cars body to be made of carbon fiber, and aluminum.

20?? Spyker, is currently looking for a new engine deal that will see more performence then that found in the Audi sourced V-8, and W-12's. The rumors have it that Spyker have started talks with Chrysler and Ford, for a engine deal. The bodies for these new Spykers are slated to be made of aluminum as they currently are, with a 6 speed manual transmission also sourced from the respective companies that will supply the new engines.

20?? Ascari, is currently planning a new model that will be a even more extreme sportscar then the KZ-1 and A10 powered by a BMW sourced M series V-10, with power going to the rear wheels via a 6 speed manal as well as sequential **** transmission.

This is not a supercar that is coming to market, but I figured that everyone needs to hear about. I believe everyone knows that Rolls-Royce has been planning a land-speed record challenging car. As I have heard it, this car will be powered by a twin-turbo version of the EX100's 9.0 liter V-16, that will produce 1000 BHP, at the rear-wheel. The power will be sent to the rear-wheels via a 7 speed F1 transmission. This cars carbon fiber monocoque chassis that it will share with BMW's Sauber developed M1 supercar. I would personally like to say that a car like this would be great to see production,

20?? Prodrive developed NPX, Aston Martin's next sportcars. I have heard that it will be a mid-engine supercar, with a horsepower rating of 800 BHP from a Prodrive developed race developeddirect injection V-12 displacing 6.0 liter, with Prodrive also developing a engine of the same displacement, with less horsepower for the offical Vanquish successor the DBX . I have heard Aston Martin could be looking to develop several models with Mercedes-Benz, with Prodrive recieveing help from AMG/HWA for building the NPX ona shared mid-engined carbon fiber monocoque with a purposed Mercedes CLR supercar. I ca't leave out the latest news on the DBX, this model will bea new design direction for Aston Martin, with a 7 speed sequetial transaxle send power to the road. The engine that is being developed for the DBX is a lower revving 6.0 liter Prodrive developed V-12 producing 700 BHP. and could share a chassis and components with the 20??SLC.

20?? Bugatti, a successor to the Veyron, is currently under discussion at VAG, with a planned sportscar codenamed Project Lydia. Many articles have stated that Bugatti wll not bring this model to production, but I believe they will, just not in the extreme form that those articles have mentioned. I figure a quad-turbo V or W-12 producing about 800 BHP, would be more practical, then another 1000+ BHP hypercar, and could be easily serviced if needed at a Bentley dealership. I will say that if this models sees production it will share it's chassis and drivetrain with Lamborghini's Murcielago successor, and the body anels will be made of carbon fiber and aluminum also, however don't exept this model to have scissor doors like the EB110. I have said on several occassions that Bugatti would replace the Veyron with 2 models, not just 1. The second model would be a 4 door coupe, witha GT 2+2 cockpit, roughly sized between the Maybach 57 and 62, that will offer plenty of leg room, for a super-luxury saloon of this class. Expected to power this luxury liner is a purposed quad-turbo 8. 0 liter W-16 producing roughly 850 +BHP, and should spawn a 2 door cabriolet and coupe in the vein of the Atlantic coupe.

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Old 02-22-2008, 04:51 PM
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Wow, great run-down! I hope you're dead-on about all of them. The most surprising was the Rolls Royce... where'd you hear about that one?
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MCLAREN P_10, that is quite some impressive list/rundown, news, and intelligence! I really hope this all comes to fruition. Some of the items I have heard and read about, as well as discussed and read from you via other posts and threads.

Only shortcomings from the otherwise outstanding list: The next Lambo Murcilago (JOTA), though more potent, being more compact; I would figure that, being it's sitting above the Gallardo, it should maintain a size prosiness. The same for the Ferrari Enzo successor, the FX70, though a halo likely to be built in small numbers like the Enzo and it's predecessors, with a direction it's to take: let's hope it maintains the V12 application. That reminds me of what the Ferrari CEO said "no small Ferraris" though he was referring to any thoughts of a Dino successor. I also hope to see the Porsche GT1, the Carrera GT successor materialize.

Spyker: I also read that they were negotiating an engine deal for upcoming models, I'm also looking forward to the unique D12 based on the Peking-to-Paris show vehicle.

I didn't know anything about that Rolls Royce effort, it's news to me. I hope this materializes as well with production, albeit limited, is decided upon. Please give me more insight and information on this.

If this also fits in this company, I'm sure Maybach is also moving forward on next generations and additions, even though most of the listing on your post deal with the high-end sports/GT, yet the Bugatti "Royale" plans are mentioned.

Also this (I placed this in another one of your threads): The Dimoria Natalia SLS - link below (click or copy & paste):

http://www.dimoramotorcar.com/index.html

This is to be one said to trump all, and with a V16 engine! Again, it's more luxury/performance and deserves a mention in the list, too.

Of course, everything mentioned in the list from Aston Martin to Zonda are exclusive and limited models, and would generally have no impact to concerns of fuel mileage and CO2 emissions, as some like to express concern about.
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Oh please. The Natalia is a joke, it will probably never materialize. From what I can see, DiMora haven't made any progress on building a running prototype, much less a production automobile, so I will believe it when I see it. Its design--or lack thereof--betrays the fact that this is an underfunded side-project of someone who just wants to build a $2 million car for the sake of doing so. It looks terrible, and there's nothing but renders on that old website of theirs. I'd rather have a Veyron and a few Bentleys than that heap, even if it were for real.
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I have faith in the rare and exotic Natalia; It's coming along and I get the regular newsletters via e-mail. It was stated that there are several orders placed on the car already. It looks like it has some polarity, which many vehicles that stand out in so many genres do, and I figure it'll be more handsome in the metal than in the CGI renderings.

In the exclusive high-end, supercar, hypercar, upper-eschelon segment, it's all about the excess on many levels, be it sports, GT or luxury-liner sedan. This segment will grow over the next couple of years with nice things happening!

While were on this, there's another independent manufacturer which wants to start up an old, bespoke and familiar marque, the Duesenberg...
There's been sever articles on the known automotive-related sites pertaining to this. A prototype or introduction of, in this case the Duesenberg Torpedo, was supposed to premiere in 2007, but later pushed back to mid-2008. Here is a link to one of the articles which should give more insight (either click on or copy & paste):

http://www.worldcarfans.com/2070821....-coupe-delayed

I suppose this could also be fitting in this company that this topic is about.
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This will probably account for some of the listings and projections of supercars which MCLAREN P_10 posted to begin this thread, as well as the ongoing success of the Bugatti Veryon, which should account for Bugatti, as well as others, to move forward with projects and models. The link below is one of the articles, which wound up on a couple of automotive related websites:

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/s...ons/#more-5085

If this is of any support, there is another article regarding the success of the recently introduced Rolls Royce Phantom Coupe and Drophead convertible:

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/c...ly-new-buyers/
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Okay, let's look back at older postings by MCLAREN:


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20?? Mercedes SLC, the successor to the SLR( despite what many think). This model is currently in the devleopment stages with a concept slated to be shown at the upcoming Geneva Autoshow. This model will make use of several different versions of AMG's handbuilt 6.2 liter V-8, with the base model slated for a 600 BHP version, with 2 twin-turbo versions ranging from 750 BHP, and a even more extreme version with close to 1000 BHP. With the body panels made of carbon fiber, expect this model to be truly extreme supercar. The power will be transferred to the road via a 7 speed F1 style paddle-shift transmission. If all goes well with the SLC, Mercedes is prepared to develop a low volume production of sports and supercars with HWA, with a second model already in the planning, a true mid-engine supercar powered by the twin-turbo 6.2 liter V-8 producing over 1000 BHP, this model is codenamed StreamLiner, and could possibly be partnered with the Aston Martin NPX supercar.

20?? McLaren P11, the nect inline supercar from McLaren. This car will not be a competitor to the F430 and Gallardo, it will actually be in a class above those 2 models. The engine for this model will be a high revving Hand-built AMG 6.2 liter V-8 producing 620 BHP. This model will also offer a cabriolet version , and could also see a second model spun off of it with even more horsepower.
- There was no SLC concept in Geneva.
- The McLaren MP4-12C is a true competitor to the Ferrari 458 Italia and the Lamborghini Gallardo. Its engine is not an AMG engine.


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Mercedes-AMG SLC rumors suggest that it will carry the AMG developed 6.2 liter V-8 producing 570 BHP and 445lb feet of torque, are somewhat true, the engine can produce that much, but I have recently heard that Mercedes-AMG are working on another engine that will be in the AMG line-up by the time the SLC reaches production. There have been rumors that the Project C197 could be given the name of the SLR, since McLanre-Mercedes will be stoping production mid year, which will make it so that Mercedes will not have to re-register thr SLR nameplate for this model. The aluminum spaceframe that will be used on the C197 will be very light and rigid, weighting less then 800 lbs. he body panels for this car will be mostly carbon fiber, with the doors and roof made of aluminum, with the front wings, hood, trunk, and rear wings made of carbon fiber. The cockpit will feature a new direction for a sportscar built in this class, with the focus beign on the driver. Expect the car to feature carbon fiber seat frames.
- The Mercedes supercar is named neither SLC nor SLR but SLS.
- The body panels are not made of carbon fiber mostly, but aluminum.
- Part of the seats are made of magnesium, not carbon fiber.
- The SLS's cockpit is anything else than focused on the driver.


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McLaren 's new sportscars are well into development, the news is that these 2 models will share a carbon fiber monocoque passenger cell, as well as aluminum front and rear sub frames and crash structures. But what I have recently found out is that they will share 1 engine! With Mercedes- AMG backing out on engine supplies do to the fact that McLaren and the AMG SLC would have shared the 6.2 liter V-8, has cut off the supplies, so McLaren will have a English built race derived V-8 in 2 different stages of tune. The P11 will make use of a 5.5 liter V-8 with a revv count of around 8,000 RPM's, producing arounf 580 BHP, so expect performence figures to be close to a 3.6 second 0-60 MPH, and a topspeed of 205. The P12, which was rumored to carry a V-10, will instead carry a high revving version of the 5.5 liter V-8, producing as much as 675 BHP, with a revv count of 9,000+ RPM's, expect a 3.2-3.4 second 0-60, and a topseed of 230+ MPH.
- The engine of the McLaren MP4-12C doesn't have a displacement of 5.5 litres but one of 3.8 litres.


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(...) Also I have recently heard that McLaren is planning to name the P11 the M 8 GT, and a GTR to follow within a years time along with the roadster version!
- Really?


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McLaren news update! I have read on CarMagazine.co.uk that the McLaren P11 will use a Mercedes-AMG engine, that is not true Mercedes-AMG's plan is for the SLC Gullwing to be there only sportscar. The engine that McLaren are currently testing will be produced by either Illmor Engineering or Mahle/Cosworth Engineering in England. The P11's engine will produce 550+BHP, from it's 5.5 liter normally aspirated direct injection V-8, (...)
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It's night here in England and I have gone to the McLaren headquarters in Woking, very interesting news I have heard about with the re-design of the P11, I actually saw Frank Stephenson while I was there (...) i asked will it be a Mercedes-AMG unit, he told me that it will be based ona Mercedes engine, but will not be built by Mercedes-AMG. (...)
- So, Frank Stephenson could not talk about the MP4-12C's engine but still gave details out? And that engine is not at all based on a Mercedes engine.


Guys, you see what I mean. Some of these rumors are true, a lot of them are not. Some of them are ridiculously wrong. It's funny and "interesting" to read in this rumor thread, and me too, I would surely like to see such cars on the road. But at the same time, you always have to keep in mind that these are simply rumors which you can't expect to be true. When you are reading new rumors, you can't know if they will turn out true or not, so you can't believe none of them unless they were approved by the manufacturer itself. But in that case, they're not rumors anymore.
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We do see much information in this thread, and long before it reaches anywhere else, such as other auto-news and enthusiast sites. Many times, I see similar news, and right after reading it here, and usually I link it for comparison and support of the news posts.

Truly, nothing is fact until it is officially announced by a company or a CEO or top management, and followed up by anything by official renderings, teaser-shots (mule-sightings to back it up), then to official photos and press-releases. MCLAREN indicates what points the information is rumors, and what is fed according to sources. Things can and do change and revise during the course of development. I would believe that some information is so covert that it's even difficult for any sources to divulge and so accurately, until a later stage. You even see some surprises crop up without any indication or rumor.

So, bottom-line, much is accurate on on-target, some is kept vague, and some do change along the way. The efforts as a whole are very commendable!
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I saw some rumors in MCLAREN posts which never became reality, but I can not prove that some projects were not at the stage of planning. All examples that are mentioned never became reality, but no one will be able to prove if something like that was not planned and worked upon. For example McLaren (I mean car maker) really tried many engines and even credible mags like EVO were wrong with rumoring power plant of this car, there were many different versions. I will not comment AMG because I do not collected information about them. In every automotive news source there is plenty of wrong, I can even say weird information and no one blames them. I am really looking forward for Bugatti, Lamborghini, Pagani and Ferrari future models and hope that they will be as exciting as I read here. Lets wait and see, the time will tell.
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But you do know that it takes some time to develop an engine and to contruct a car in the way that this engine fits in? It's complete rubbish if you announce one year before the presentation of the MP4-12C that it's going to have a 5.5l V8 engine (and later, that it's going to be an AMG engine). The fact that MCLAREN claims that he had spoken Frank Stephenson (who gave him details noone had heard before), and that the truth was finally all different, shows to me that MCLAREN has lost his credibility. And do you really believe that he also met Dieter Zetsche and don't know who else?
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